Popular Military Surplus Handguns

What types of these surplus pistols do you own?


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I really wanted this thread to concentrate on military surplus handguns. There was a time when you could buy a Luger or a 1911 for $20 or so, and that was long before the Eastern bloc opened up and gifted us the Makarov. As I suspected, it's winning the poll.
 
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I don't own any military surplus now, though I've been though several M-1917 Colts. For the most part, for me at least, military sidearms are a poor choice, making poor hunting arms or precision target guns. The M-1911A1 Autos were available cheap years ago but required some expensive alterations to be in the running as target guns.

Most foreign handguns are of fairly small caliber and ineffective power so as only to be suitable for shooting paper or folks.

Just not my cup of coffee.

Bob Wright
 
My favorite is an M1927 Argentine -- virtually identical to the US M1911A1. Mine currently has a Colt .22 Conversion kit, the kind with the floating chamber.
The Ballester Molina is an Argentine peach too! My dad loves his. (Do they grow peaches in Argentina?)
Gun lore urban legends have it that the B-prefix guns were made from steel salvaged from the wreck of the Graf Spee. I read a very well researched piece a few years ago where they examined the metallurgy of a B series Ballester and concluded that while the steel was not within the capability of Argentine industry to produce, it could not definitively be traced to the ship.
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Come to think of it, these grips look like Zingers too......
 
I have a few nits with the choices:

* Makarov (east bloc military/police) - you mean Makarov PM style right? This covers the Soviet, Chinese, East German and Bulgarian variants.
* Tokarev (Soviet Union) - In addition to the TT-33, remember that the Poles and Romanians had their clones, Plus the Yugo variant.
* P-64 (Poland) - but don't forget the P-83 Wanad too
* Radom (Poland) - you mean ViZ wz.35, right?
* Need an "all of the above" choice! :p
 
I voted with my Essex frame, Colt slide, Viet Nam 1911a1, my Argentine BHP, and my "other" is a Tressitu Zastava TZ99, built for the South African military.
 
I've gotten rid of quite a few but still have:

1907 French WW1 contract Savage .32
FN 1922
Walther PP (WW2)
Mauser 1914
MAB D
S&W M&P Model of 1905 (military provenance)
FN Hi Power
Star B
Star BM
Star 30MI
 
The first pistol larger than a .22 that I acquired was an Astra. It was not one of the ones listed however, it was a Constable in .380. Forty two years later, I still have it. :D
Always liked the Constables, but never owned one. Its like they asked Astra's engineers to copy the PPK, and they said "Why? We can make a more reliable gun that looks just like it for half the cost!"
 
Why isn't Star pistols on the list? Mine are a Star Super in 9mm Largo and a National Police Star BM. :) (plus my bulgarian makarov and beretta 71 surplus)
 
LGS has a bunch of Zavasta M57 for $249.

Im not impressed. To me they are clunky, with a bad grip angle and in an unimpressive caliber.
 
Did I miss something? Please let me know.

Are you a collector or do you shoot yours?

It used to be that military surplus pistols were very well made and could be had at bargain prices, though supplies of them are dwindling and prices skyrocketing.
I've shot every one that I have brought home. And yes, the initial purchases were to get a well-made gun at a good price; however that has changed into the "collect for shooting" part.

I have 5 in 9x18 Makarov, 4 of which were surplus: East German Makarov, CZ 82, Polish P64, Hungarian PA 63. The 5th is a commercial doublestack Makarov.

Also have several variants of the CZ 27 in 7.65 (.32 acp), one marked with Czech writing and a DR (for German Railways), one with German markings, and one marked 'fnh'. Going to assume all are surplus WW2 from Germany.

A PHP MV9, the 'ugly duckling' P-38/HP hybrid from Croatia.

Have a Norinco T-54 Tokarev, with the aftermarket safety and a 9mm barrel, but with the wider ejection port and takes standard 7.62 magazines. I've heard both commercial and surplus/repurposed from the Chinese on that. That was my 1st pistol, gave me a working 9mm at $150, and the design at least got me interested in the surplus market.

What are we considering the police trade-ins? I have a pre-B CZ 75 that the vendor said was a Czech police trade-in, does that count? Also a couple of Berettas- a 92FS that was made for and shipped to the LAPD, and one of the recent 92S variants that was reputed to be Italian police trade ins.

Got a Star B Super, which came with manual and cleaning rod. I've heard this also was surplussed out, and has military acceptance stamps. For that matter, I most recently got in on the Star BM run, which were from the Civil Police in Spain. Not sure what to make of my Star 30MI from Interarms, I've heard that they were an over-run on a contract that was bought and marketed here.

Also- regarding Israeli stuff- all the various pistols coming in from there? Got a FEG 9HP, another CZ 75 pre B, and a Zastava CZ 99. I've heard those were Israeli PD, IDF, stuff like that. Heck, I have a W German Sig P226 in rough cosmetic condition, without a story but so rough that I wonder where it came from.

oh yeah, have a Mauser 1914 in 7.65, have little to no knowledge about it's original purpose. It's a fairly early one, I think when I dated it, it was 1916 or so. And yes, I've shot it and it shoots quite well. Feeds and cycles Fiocchi and PPU like butter, but Azoom snapcaps jam into the barrel. I guess it counts.

The one common, unifying theme: these are all metal (most are steel) framed guns, they work reliably, and they were designed to be a duty gun, if they didn't serve.
 
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