JTQ
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DA/SA is just fine. My point is they are not SA/DA.I refer to them as DA/SA on most forums ...
DA/SA is just fine. My point is they are not SA/DA.I refer to them as DA/SA on most forums ...
DA/SA is just fine. My point is they are not SA/DA.
I use the same pair on occasion but didn't realize a clip was available for the Pico, I'll have to check it out. Does that stick on type work very well? My Pico probably hasn't seen as many rounds as yours. How's it holding up? There were few positive reviews available when mine was purchased.
Actually I have posted a number of times with usage. And with targets shot. These have been with quick fire center to mass point and shoot. I love shooting the pocket guns. Quickness to draw and accuracy. Drills, and more Drills. Picking the little gun up quickly from the table and double taps, to a top target and bottom target. Sometimes just emptying the magazine on two targets. Outdoor range I practice drawing from the carry position.Pretty much a whole page of people bickering about what to call the gun vs talking about it's usage.
Typical internet!
I like to call them "TDA/SA/DC/DA" (Traditional Single-Action/Single-Action/De-Cock/Double-Action) because it most accurately describes the design of the firearm when employed tactically.
There I win.
Actually I have posted a number of times with usage. And with targets shot. These have been with quick fire center to mass point and shoot. I love shooting the pocket guns. Quickness to draw and accuracy. Drills, and more Drills. Picking the little gun up quickly from the table and double taps, to a top target and bottom target. Sometimes just emptying the magazine on two targets. Outdoor range I practice drawing from the carry position.
I do not see these post as bickering. Just folks sharing their feeling about triggers. Maybe some will be enlightened by other views.A lot of these post deal with safety and reality. Many from experienced shooters.
The OP opened with the question ". I have enjoyed this tread and the actually learned a little along the way. His question has been something I see what I think is coming to firearms and a great question.
Are the DA/SA pistols staging a comeback??
I refer to them as DA/SA on most forums because, inevitably, calling them DA or TDA will require an explanation further down the line. In conversation, I just call them double action automatics, like we did in the eighties and nineties. That still often requires an explanation, especially if a younger shooter is involved.
There is also a titanic benefit to carrying a DA/SA gun, assuming a person is willing to learn it. Everybody makes fun of the whole idea that NDs are more likely with Glocks, saying training will prevent this. In their next breath they indicate they are not willing to put in the time learning the DA/SA. Well, as someone who nearly caught a .45 jhp from a NG involving a Glock and a very well trained veteran officer, I call BS. When situations get really tense, and you’re on what you believe may be a two-way range, stuff happens. A certain kind of stuff happens more with striker-fired guns. I’ve been seeing it for over 25 years in LE.
As I said earlier, one of the best things about striker-fired guns is that non-enthusiasts who rarely shoot can be taught how to use them to a level that will make qualification at a police range more likely. That is the “titanic benefit” of the consistent first to last trigger pull.
There is a TITANIC benefit in the first shot-consistant shot to shot shot of the striker guns when shot.
OR... plasma rifles in the 40kw range
My P01 is the same, as are my other CZs.For a contrast, you might try to do this, unless already aware:
shoot about twenty rds. ---DA Only----through a Polish P-64 (smaller than the Polish P-83) or twenty DA only in a PPK/S.
After that, or twenty DA in my brother's very old Sig 225 (did German Polizei like this gun?... ), you will find the DA pull in more modern Sig 229s or 226s to be a good bit lighter than with those. We know about grip thickness, perceived recoil. But lots of guys can shoot Those guns very well.
Not kidding. I'm really new to learning a proper grip, tensing wrist, elbows (Not locking) and the DA is these Sigs is also very smooth.
In my CZ PO1, it's a lighter DA and smooth.
Maybe one reason many CZs are so popular is that one doesn't need as much discipline and self-training/ammo expenses, to be a decent shot with the lighter DA pull (if other CZ models are like mine)?
No it is not a silly question. Lets use S&W Gen 3 DA/SA Semiautomatic Pistols. S&W came up with a standard trigger press weight and travel for firing DA and SA as part of the design criteria. Thus they were employing a standard in regards to human engineering studies or derived usage data from previous user related studies in other words feed back. They S&W did not pick out of thin air their manufacturing standard for DA&SA trigger press weights!That's a silly question. Obviously, unintentional discharges can occur with anything capable of being discharged!
Likelihood and frequency is what changes. Just because you never get to 0% doesn't mean there's no difference between 1% and .001%.
That's the point I was making satirically!You asked what is the weight where unintentional discharges are "not an occurrence." There is no such weight, unless it is so great that human hands cannot apply that much force.
There's no reason to think there is a single "mystical weight" (to use your phrase). This is a continuum.
How is that and at what point in reference to trigger movement or weight of press? Are we talking force acquired to discharge the weapon or that combined with length of trigger movement to actuate the firing sequence?Obvious benefit for the DA prevents any premature discharge under stress. .
Yes.Are we talking force acquired to discharge the weapon or that combined with length of trigger movement to actuate the firing sequence?