How effective are linear compensators ... really?

Linear Compensator: Yay or Nay?

  • Yay! Work as advertised ... why didn't I think of this?

    Votes: 16 57.1%
  • Meh ... Maybe, but I'm not convinced.

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Nay! Complete hype and a total waste of money.

    Votes: 5 17.9%

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So I've started reading about linear compensators. They have been described as a "poor man's suppressor." If I understand the theory, they don't actually suppress muzzle blast; rather, they direct it forward, away from the shooter. I know from personal experience that radial compensators can be very loud, increasing perceived muzzle blast significantly. So just how effective are linear compensators in your experience? What have you used, and how did it work? Worth the price?
 
I have a KAK Micro Flash Can on my 300 BO and have to say its only marginally quieter than my brothers 300BO with just a bird case flash hider. If it was a bigger version it might do more but this small one does very little.
 
It depends on you expectations.

"Poor man's suppressor" is an unrealistic expectation of the device.

When you compare the perceived muzzle blast and noise against an aggressive muzzle brake, linear compensators sound much less noisy.

They work... for their intended purpose, but are in no way reducing the actually decibels produces (that would be a suppressor). Just redirecting blast and some of those decibels.

I like to have both, so I use a kinetic-tech muzzle brake with a sleeve that essentially turns it into a linear comp.
 
My only example of a linear comp is on a KelTec PLR-16...and in that case it is WAY, WAY more quiet than the factory 2 port comp that it replaced. Fired from the hip that thing was just brutal with the concussion it sent up into your face, and was the only time I've ever seen a red-dot blown apart by muzzle-blast. A 40mm Tasco red-dot came apart after half a magazine and everyone at the range who wanted to shoot the thing were just amazed at the violence it delivered while shooting along with the light-show. Basketball sized fireballs are very impressive and very fun! But with a Levang Linear comp on it....while (of course) it's not in the least quiet, at least it doesn't smack you in the face with concussion and the red-dot has stayed in one piece...so I'd say it works just fine.:)
 
I'm thinking about trying a Kaw Valley 9mm linear comp on a Ruger PC Carbine. I just haven't heard that much about them (linear comps). Seems they've been around for a while, so I'm wondering about their effectiveness. Also thinking about trying their .223 comp on a .22 LR to assess whether it would be a helpful addition when squirrel hunting.

Really appreciate the experienced opinions. Thanks.
 
Is a linear comp any better or different than a bare muzzle?

Seems like they do the same thing (ie direct blast/sound forward).
 
I'm thinking about trying a Kaw Valley 9mm linear comp on a Ruger PC Carbine. I just haven't heard that much about them (linear comps). Seems they've been around for a while, so I'm wondering about their effectiveness. Also thinking about trying their .223 comp on a .22 LR to assess whether it would be a helpful addition when squirrel hunting.

Really appreciate the experienced opinions. Thanks.
KAW Valley is gtg.

I had one on a 223 carbine and liked it quite a bit.
I plan on putting one of their 45acp ones on a 45acp AR upper.
 
I'm thinking about trying a Kaw Valley 9mm linear comp on a Ruger PC Carbine. I just haven't heard that much about them (linear comps). Seems they've been around for a while, so I'm wondering about their effectiveness. Also thinking about trying their .223 comp on a .22 LR to assess whether it would be a helpful addition when squirrel hunting.

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Neither 9mm nor 22lr have any significant muzzle flash or blast so the results...besides hanging the weight on the muzzle...aren't going to be very dramatic.
 
In my limited experience at the range, I noticed no difference between a linear comp and the standard bird cage flash hider. Sorry I don't know the brand of the comp.
 
I started shooting Keis linear comps years ago, ‘round about 2000 if I recall, and have used several Kaw Valley Precision LC’s in recent years.

I’ll point out here, baffled linear compensators and flash cans like the Fire Pig are fundamentally different in effectiveness. One is a directional letdown, one is a pressure letdown. What I’ll describe here is applicable to real linear compensators, not to flash cans. Flash cans work, kinda, to direct blast forward, at slightly lower pressure than a bare muzzle, so the indiscreet blast signature, that reaching the shooter, is lower. But the efficacy of a baffled model is much greater than that of an open can.

They’re in no way a “poor man’s suppressor,” in regards to extent of effect, but they do reduce recoil, and they do reduce total decibel release. In principle, they are a single baffle suppressor with wicked first round pop.

I did the math in another thread not so long ago (I’m on my phone, else I’d dig it up for you) revealing HOW linear compensators reduce muzzle blast, not just redirect it. BUT, they do have the added advantage of redirecting it as well. The effectiveness will be a function of the letdown volume and the cross-sectional area of the baffle ports balanced against the pressure and volume (velocity) of the escaping gases, and how much plasma remains to be unburned at the muzzle.

I’m also not a person who speaks online about items I’ve never owned or used. I’ve posted that 6.5 Grendel of mine more than too often on this forum, sporting a Kaw Valley linear compensator - I do use them. I also mentioned, after putting two shots in my buck this year, my ears were not ringing, and I did not have temporary hearing loss - which is something to which I’m quite sensitive, since unprotected gunfire has already cost me over 50% hearing loss in my left ear, and left me with the ring of tinnitus for the rest of my life.

Are they worth it? Up to you. When someone asks me if something is “worth it,” as a product developer I expect a payback, in which case there’s no financial sense in any hobby, or gear for it. If you ask, “do I feel like I get my money’s worth from them,” or “would you buy another,” then my answer is easy - yes. I use linear compensators, and I’m happy to continue buying more of them.

They don’t reduce recoil or muzzle jump as much as a radially ported brake, and they don’t reduce signature as much as a suppressor. But radially ported brakes increase blast to the shooter, and suppressors come with a lot more weight, a lot more expense, and a lot more baggage... A bit of the best of each is pretty damned good, in my book.
 
I’m learning thanks to the folks here. I’ll be ordering a Kaw Valley LC soon!
 
They do not make the gun any quieter.

Physics and empirical decibel sound meters prove otherwise. It’s not much, but they do reduce the pressure at the muzzle, which reduces the total sound signature. You’re letting down the muzzle blast into an expansion chamber, and giving it significantly greater cross-sectional area when it finally does reach atmosphere. Decibels are a measure of sonic pressure. Pressure is a force per area. More area means less pressure, less pressure means less decibels...

Not a lot. But it is measurable, and it is perceptible for most people and most rounds. All depends, as I said before, upon the ratio of expansion versus total gas volume and extent of combustion before reaching the comp.
 
My experience was with them was with the levang linear compensator. Had 2 identical 16" 223 ARs, same ammo. 1 had the levang, 1 had an a2 birdcage. 3 guys took turns shooting and standing by, and all 3 concluded that the levang actually sounded louder than the a2, but not by much.
 
I doubt the feds will think it worth pursuing, but anything that reduces muzzle blast any at all is legally a silencer.
Perhaps Frank will clarify.

A friend had a Levang and concluded it did nothing he wanted done, and installed a nice loud muzzle brake.
 
Just tested mine yesterday outdoors. My buddy and I couldn't tell the difference behind the gun or off to the side.
 
The original Noveske Flaming Pig IMHO was/is the most effective for those behind the muzzle. The Troy Claymore seems to noticably work too. The Levang maybe slightly. The good 4 piece Krinkov Cans work almost as well as the Noveske. The Spike Tactical Spider device really softens the blast on my 10" .300 pistol .
 
Recently purchased two KAW Valley linear comps. One for a 8.5" AR pistol (.223 / 5.56) and the other for my M&P 15-22. Installed the 22 yesterday. The 15-22 was noticeably louder than my 10/22. They are now very close. The 15-22 is possibly a tad louder but just barely. Though I have had the A2-style flash hider removed from the 15-22 before, it was only yesterday I realized its open flutes are 360*; no solid bottom. The other will be installed days from now as I complete opttional work on the pistol. I didn't expect any or notice other differences on the 15-22.

The primary reason for the comp on the pistol is this:

I plan on installing the newly introduced Crimson Trace CMR-300 tac-light / green laser combo on the handguard bottom, fully forward.

The current hand guard is 7" in length. Just enough length for a natural, comfortable grasp. The CR is 2.5" in length which would put my hand in an awkward position with the stock totally collapsed.

Purchased a 9" handguard which will remedy that issue within a 1/4" of where I currently place my support hand. The handguard will extend approximately half way over the comp.

I need the non-fluted comp so that any gasses, flame go straight out and not up into the guard. Considered flipping the factory A2 flash hider which would have sent the gases / fire downward but elected not to.

Any other positive result from the comp will be noted and appreciated.
 
I have a Noveske Diplomat which came standard with the KX 3 on it's 7.5 5.56 barrel. I took off the KX3 to try it. Although it did function in the few shots I did, it was waaaaaaay "louder" everybody said.
 
Is a linear comp any better or different than a bare muzzle?.
Yes it is better, at least mine is. The linear comp makes it just bearable to shoot without hearing protection... I still wear ears.

They do not make the gun any quieter. They also dont direct the blast backwards like many brakes do.

See above.

This is one I made a couple weeks ago for my 10.5" blackout. It is designed with two chambers... one forward and one rear ward of the muzzle connected by vent holes to increase air volume without adding length... all vented forward. As I mentioned before it is not quiet, but does dampen the sound (or properly,projects it forward) just enough to be bearable without earplugs. ( I still use hearing protection but like knowing that in an emergency I wouldn't blow my eardrums out.) 20180302_125424.jpg 20180302_124830.jpg 20180302_124955.jpg
 
... or think of it this way: we know the difference between a bare muzzle and a comp... muzzle blast with the comp is PERCIEVED to be greater because it's coming back at you now take that and flip it the other way... same difference in sou d but PERCIEVED to be lesser
 
In my opinion, they're directing gasses and sound forward. Think about it, if you were shooting in a gangway or even an indoor range, nothing is in front of you but your target, (whatever that may be). Unless you're shooting into a brick wall 10 feet in front of you, <wink> it should decrease the decibel level and concussive rebound. To what extent it decreases the level must be determined with scientific equipment; I'm not prepared to render those results. A lot of linear compensators can be purchased for under $50. If you've acquired a firearm with a threaded barrel and you find a compensator aesthetically pleasing, you're not losing a whole lot if your performance expectations are not met.
 
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