Ruger PC Carbine (Short Review)

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Yesterday I got an in-stock notification from Kentucky Gun Co (www.kygunco.com) for the new Ruger for the third time. I called immediately and they told me they had just received 150 of them in, so I drove down there to get one. Price on the website was $509.99 plus tax since I am in state.

Everything went smoothly with the purchase and they even threw in 30 minutes free on their range. Before completing the transfer I confirmed that they had given me the 17-round model with threaded barrel (they had), then I headed to their indoor range. In my haste I forgot to check which magazine adaptor was installed. Turned out to be the Ruger which was unfortunate because by the time I figured it out my 30 minutes had already started. The good news is that I found, under "duress", I was able to change the adaptor in just a handful of minutes. For those that are unaware, the whole receiver has to be removed from the stock to change the adaptor.

Once everything was back together I loaded the gun with the first of nine (9) Glock mags (KCI brand). This was also a minor test of these mags as I bought them just for the Ruger (I don't own a Glock). Of the nine total mags, 5 are 17-round and 4 are 31-round. When I arrived at the store all my mags were preloaded with an assortment of random bullets I had laying around. This was deliberate and was done in an effort to test the reliability of the rifle. The ammo included factory 115 grain from Blazer and Remington as well as 124 and 130 grain reloads. The mags all inserted positively and firmly with no issues. As has been mentioned in several reviews, the long mags wiggle a bit, but I found this only happened when I pushed on them. In any event they caused no feeding problems.

I spent approximately 20 minutes shooting and reloaded several mags. The best count I can come up with is 266 shots fired. Of those, I had 2 stovepipes which were almost undoubtedly from the batch of 130 grain ammo based on the heavy soot on those cases. I loaded up a bunch of these awhile back at a reduced load that cycled another gun of mine and included them in this test to see if the Ruger could handle them. Apparently it can handle them - most of the time.

Overall I was left with a favorable impression of the rifle. The stock looks cheaper in person, but for my purposes that's a non-issue. The trigger feels very close to a standard 10/22 trigger the reset was minimal. Recoil was more noticeable than I would have thought, but it was still very much manageable. I found the gun to be extremely accurate, although I had to fire all shots unsupported from standing.

The sights are similar to those of an M1 Garand or other military rifle with ears next to the front post. This made aiming very easy. I didn't bring my red dot, but I'm sure that would been fine as well.

I did notice the gun got very hot at the rear of the forward handguard. This is likely due to the takedown lever being in that area combined with the high rate of fire (I was shooting a round on average every 4.5 seconds, including time spent reloading and dealing with a minor target carrier issue). By moving my hand to the forward end of the handguard I had no further problems with that. Normally I would take more time to fire that many shots, but I was trying to get as much shooting in as I could before my time was up.

Pictures are below. I only used one target with the first group being in the center and the final group in the bottom right (it was a star before I shot it). There are several shots that appear to be stray, but I was actually verifying that certain loads were clearing the barrel in most cases. The target was left at 15 yards to minimize that variable.
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Your experience mirrors mine with the exception that I didn't check for the threaded barrel/17 round mag prior to competing the transfer.

However, the Ruger mag went into the junk box, and it is doubtful that I will ever spring for a can, so all is good. Glock 17 and 26 mags work well, as do the Korean 33 rounders limited to 30 rounds (why tempt fate?)

My first session was with the TRS-25 installed, and it works great with no riser on this carbine. I have also mounted a 200 lumen weapon light up front. I found that with that particular light mounted I don't have access to the front sling swivel stud, but attached a sling using short piece of 550 paracord run through that stud. The sling now stays with the barrel when the carbine is disassembled.
 
I just bought a Kaw Valley linear comp to try on this gun. If it works well indoors I will forego the can I had planned to buy. It's certainly cheaper ($64) than jumping straight into a can.
 
However, the Ruger mag went into the junk box

Why do you say this; is there something wrong with the Ruger magazine or is this a commentary on the ubiquity of Glock magazines? Is the Ruger designed to work with a certain series of Glock magazines? Is there any reason to suspect that the Ruger or Glock magazines would be more reliable than the other?

The day Ruger offers this carbine with a wood stock will be the day I buy it (I suspect it will happen if this carbine is as popular as it looks to be). I'm one of those weirdos that prefers a wood stocked mini-14 to an AR-15; plastic stocks and pistol grips just don't do it for me.
 
Last week, one of my shooting buddies got his and let me take a few shots (twenty). Overall, it worked well,but like Havoc 7416 said, there was heavy soot on some of the cases. No jams noted, accuracy was good, given the informal nature of the session.

I wasn't impressed by the ergonomics of it, to be honest. It seemed a little too heavy for a pistol caliber carbine, and the factory rear sight was hard for me to resolve, but I'm sure that isn't the designs problem. Take-down was simple and easy as was assembly, and to me, it seemed quite well engineered.
The controls were well placed and easy to access, but the feeling I got when I shouldered it was a bit too nose heavy and it didn't quite fall into my shoulder as naturally as it could have.

The model used was NY legal, unthreaded barrel and 10 rd. mag option, using G19 and G26 mags, and a variety of 115 and 124g loads, factory and reloads. My friend simply wanted to test it out/show it off, so a bunch of folks laid hands on it.
Nice little gun, but personally, I think I'll pass for the time being.
 
I've handled mine a few times now and I haven't found it to be nose heavy at all, although several people here and elsewhere have made that comment.

Takedown and reassembly is extremely easy as noted as well.
 
I have a Camp 9 and enjoy the heck out of it. I was thinking of getting the Ruger just because. Thanks for adding comments and opinions on the rifle. Good luck with it.
 
I've handled mine a few times now and I haven't found it to be nose heavy at all, although several people here and elsewhere have made that comment.

I can't imagine the Ruger PCC being more nose heavy than an AR with an M4 type collapsible butt stock. A lot of people are accustomed to nose heavy ARs, I would think.
 
I pulled the AR out and tried it alongside the Ruger. I had to strip the AR down as far as I could (lots of gadgets hanging off it) to make it comparable. They actually feel about the same in terms of overall weight and where they balance (right around the magazine well on both of them). Overall that would make the Ruger more stock-heavy based on length. As the pic shows, they are virtually the same length with the AR stock extended.

Also my linear comp arrived and it was no trouble to thread on the end of the Ruger, so that is what you see in the pic.
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Also my linear comp arrived and it was no trouble to thread on the end of the Ruger, so that is what you see in the pic.
I am not familiar with a .38 caliber or larger compensator, which one did you get? I presume you didn't just throw in something from AR onto a 9mm gun and hope that the bullet would machine it smooth :)
 
I got it from Kaw Valley. It is designed for AR-9s and Sub-2000s according to their website. Threads are 1/2x28 and the hole in will fit a 9mm, so the bullet shouldn't be machining anything.
 
Every time I've had my old PC-9 to the range it's gotten a lot of positive reviews with people wondering why they didn't sell like hotcakes? Can't exactly say....except that many people look at the platform and feel an AR gives more power (a LOT more power) for the same weight so that's the direction they went when in that market. Plus I think many/most people who were interested but didn't get one thought that Ruger would continue to make them and they'd get one later on....but then they discontinued them. Can't say as I blame them being that they were hoping for a large Police market that just never materialized and there were other guns to be made and sold, but that doesn't make the PC's any less handy and fun to shoot. Stock trigger on the old PC's was HEAVY....so much so that I've changed return springs on a couple to get the pull down into single digits and thusly modified they're nice to shoot. Hopefully the new carbines attract more sales and keep them on the shelves.
 
They didn't sell like hotcakes because they used Ruger's proprietary magazines, and comparatively few people have Ruger semi-automatic handguns. Had the originals been designed to accept Glock magazines, I believe they would have sold like hotcakes! The original design targeted Ruger aficionados; the new design is still attractive to Ruger fans, but also engages the huge market of Glock fans. They are going to sell lots of them!

Edit to add: The original was also called the "Police Carbine." How many police agencies are you aware of that carry Ruger pistols? And how many can you think of that carry Glocks?
 
I just saw a Hickock45 video of the new Ruger PC and there were an awful lot of malfunctions with different magazines, both Ruger and Glock. Not sure it's read for prime-time HD.
 
I bought 500 each of 147 grain bullets in both round nose and flat point profiles. While they aren't solely for the carbine, at least a few mags will be tested for loading and function. The remainder have to be function checked in my myriad other 9mm guns, but if all of them cycle the 147s (RNs anyway), I will be buying a bunch more to test just in the Ruger.

I stupidly did some load development awhile back using a new 9mm bullet profile, but I had a brain fart and only tested the load in 2 pistols before declaring them ready. Come to find out those happened to be 2 out of the 3 guns they wanted to work in. As of right now, I'm still sitting on at least 1,500 bullets that can only be used in 3 guns - lesson learned. The result of that is the Ruger may take some extra time to fully test. I have no use with a bullet that can only be used in a handul of my guns.

I will try to keep this thread updated with my results in light of the problems others have been reporting. I bought the Ruger knowing full well I would be one of the initial testers. I do need to stress that the only problems I have had in approximately 266 rounds so far were the 2 rounds that stovepiped on extraction. These were those same bullets/loads mentioned above that only cycle 2 of my other guns.
 
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They didn't sell like hotcakes because they used Ruger's proprietary magazines, and comparatively few people have Ruger semi-automatic handguns. Had the originals been designed to accept Glock magazines, I believe they would have sold like hotcakes! The original design targeted Ruger aficionados; the new design is still attractive to Ruger fans, but also engages the huge market of Glock fans. They are going to sell lots of them!

Edit to add: The original was also called the "Police Carbine." How many police agencies are you aware of that carry Ruger pistols? And how many can you think of that carry Glocks?

There actually WERE a few Depts. that used Ruger PC pistols...but granted they were few and far between and it would have been a Genius move to make them adaptable to Glock mags. Perhaps back in the day when they first came out that Glocks were proprietary or otherwise protected? Worked OK for me having P-85 & 95's then added 10 30 rounders for the Suomi pouch for some carry-able fire power.:)
 
I've got one on order. I should get it Thursday, delivered to my LGS. My shooting buddy has one already, he bought it as it came off the delivery truck. Right place, right time.

I'll change it right away to Glock mags but it's because there are so many of them and they're very reliable. I don't own a centerfire Ruger pistol, just rimfires.
 
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