Iffy barreled 79-80ish Model 94

Howdy,
I finally got to take my newly acquired Model 94 to a 100 yard range. Initially at 25 yards I was hitting high and to the right about 3 1/2" at 2 O'clock.Can not get the Receiver sight any lower. At 100 yards I go to be able to keep it on an 8" target. The firesight fiber optic front side bead covers the 3/4" red circle in the middle of the target.
First to those who read my other thread about my rifle's barrel being possibly shot out, does this grouping at 100 yards indicate that it seems okay? I again was glad I could consistently hit the target with my eyes and a peep sight. I was not trying to get a group at the time, but to see where I needed to hold to hit center.
Secondly, this presumably indicates the need for a taller front sight. Can anyone give advice on how to find the correct one, or a place that would help?
If I change over to an FP-94 sight, from the 5D-94 sight, is there a chance that a new slightly different style sight might allow me to move it down appreciably and not need a taller front sight????
Thanks again for all your help

Hello WestKentucky,
You have brought up interesting items I never even thought of, thanks. First let me say that a gunsmith said my barrel was overly worn, this was after the purchase of the rifle and before shooting. So this basically is just looking for an indication that this accessment was not necessarily true, in the accuracy department. Actually no more than that. Replies to my previous thread on this matter seemed to indicate that this was unlikely and that the groups I fired before now, did not point to a worn out barrel. The most likely culprit of the current lack of accuracy is me! Never been much of a rifle shooter, without a scope.It seems an impossible dream, now, for me to shoot a 3" group with iron sights, at 100 yards with a target rifle [. Once I get sorted, I will remember your pointers.
By the way, what is the correct way to get the forarm tight? I temporarily put paper shims and the barrel band can't be made tighter...
Cheers

Deltaboy1984 said:

J.B. Bore polish and copper remover plus a brass brush!

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Thanks for this pointer. I have never used this product. It seems that it could only help!
rhtwist

stringnut said:

If you do a search for sight height calculator or requirement there are several. Skinner sights and Brownells seem to be pretty use friendly. You do have to have a dial or digital caliper however. A little error goes a long way when making sight changes Lol!

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Howdy stringnut,
Okay will try to get an accurate dimension, if possible for me.
Thanks

Thank you Sir, for the links. I will see if I can figure it out with appropriate dimension.

robhof said:

Another way to clean/polish the bore is with an LBT(lead bullet Tech.) fire lapping kit, I got one for my DW 357Max and after great improvement, I ended up using it on all my guns, even my B/P pistols and rifles. A lot of guns have rough bores from the factory, and improve with shooting to a point, if started with a smooth polished surface, shots are more consistent and cleaning is much easier, and actual bore life is much extended.

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Good info robhof.
Thanks

I did, thank you. Still high and right, approx. 3 inches high and 2 inches right. Walked it into a six o'clock in the 7 ring. I can pattern better, trying and practice. Just have to do a good bit of compensation. Hoping the Williams Fool Proof sights might allow me to adjust out the elevation problem without a new front sight. I've never shot peep sights very much before now.

Hello shooter1niner,
Thank you for your replies. At that range session I did off a shooter rest, get the results mentioned. At the same level and 3 inches to the right, I hit the 6 o'clock position in the 7 ring. I need a higher front sight. I contacted Williams and they stated that if my sight will not adjust enough, the FP-94 model will also be off. Using the measurements I took, they suggested a front sight of .500 to get my hits up and put the adjustment in approximately the middle of the Sight's range marks.
Unfortunately the don't have any in stock at this time.
Appreciated
rhtwist

Yes, I was not shooting for a group. I will need to do so, but until I can lower my point of impact on the target, I am IMHO wasting ammunition.I am quite convinced, from previous group and the last episode that I am hitting high at all the different yardages that I have shot. I haven't bothered to correct the windage until I get my replacement sight installed. Since the suggested correct front sight is not available, I am stymied
I was hitting the 6o'clock point in the 7 ring when I was holding to left of the center, and below the bottom edge of the 8" Black Target.
Thanks again

shooter1niner said:

please define 8" black target. 8" bullseye?

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The target is the Birchwood Casey Shoot-N-C Target. It is an 8" black target with a 3/4" red bullseye. It has rings marked around the bullseye marked 7, 8 & 9. I hope my description will help clarify.
If I can repeatedly hit in the 8" black circle, would this seem to show that the barrel of my rifle is not shot out??
Cheers

Hey shooter1niner,
I was holding at the bottom of the 8" black portion of the target, to hit high and left. I even had a range officer try it out and he concurred. Groups, other than my own inadequacies should be good. It is just not getting it low enough.
Thanks

shooter1niner said:

Barrel shot out??? Nothing you have done so far could possibly lead to that conclusion. Sorry, but you need to be a little more repetitive/consistent before any type of conclusion can be reached.

Sounds like your mind is made up about the front sight. Change it as you plan and please report back with the results. Have fun...

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Hello shooter1niner,
You have been very patient and thorough. Thank you Kind Sir! The shot out barrel is the thing most important on my list. Glad to hear from an experienced shooter that it seems good. Now as you mention, the rest is up to me and maybe a front sight .Have a Marble Gold Bead on the way.
Thanks again, load of my mind!!
Regards

Well I returned my 5D Williams sight and firesight front sights. Had the original Model 94, gold bead sight to reinstall. The Firesight front sight blade as .460, the original which I haven't as yet tried with the FP Williams sight is .480. I will see if this is tall enough. Another point I found interesting is that the 5D sight bottomed out with the indication mark at 3 down from the top most indication line. The FP has it aligning with the top most line. Can anyone tell me how this might affect the firearms elevation/adjustment problem or maybe nothing at all.
Thanks

Follow Up:
Replaced the front sight blade with a .500 brass beaded sight. I finally was able to lower the bullet impacts at 25 yards so far. Was able to raise the Williams receiver sight up to the fifth line marking. Now the problem which is mentioned in the Gunsmith forum of a canted ramp and blade is causing quite a bit of moving the windage to the left. It can be adjusted enough but I will endeavor to get it repaired. Also is there a consensus on what range to zero the sights to? I really don't believe I would try shots much past 100 yards on an animal.