Mossin nagant, it's ammo, and more info?

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You’re making me cry.

Same here.

I am sure it will come out his gun his choice....ok, is there ever a line to that. I am sure that everyone says there is. I am also sure the poster of that eye sore will say it is just a run of the mill mosin, not an american, early, french/ pick your flavor. So it is only a sub 100 gun....too bad the sub 100 guns are now 300 and that....thing...is always going to be a sub 100 gun....at least for the next 50 years or so.

I doubt we will come across another batch of "cheap" rifles coming in, days are gone I am afraid. So we will not have pretend "gunsmiths" destroying history...and it is all history. We are care takers for the next generation....well some are.

Before I go off on a deep end, I will leave you with a sporter rifle, guy paid only $15 for it, real cheap, so why not modify it....it will never be worth anything will it.

A fantastic example of 1940's back woods Tenn. gunsmithing work, by two teenage brothers that up to ones last day thinks this really looks good. Heck they could not afford the $25 for a springfield so this was the deer rifle....and used in the hills to put food on the table.

Do they get a pass......I think so, 1940 is very different from 2000 when you could get a good hunting rifle (if that is what you really wanted) that would out shoot any of the stuff that Olga slapped goop on while wondering if her husband still had his head.

I have to go, this topic will just get ugly if I hang around here.

Enjoy the same kind of work as done by the poster that destroyed the mosin.

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Same here.

I am sure it will come out his gun his choice....ok, is there ever a line to that. I am sure that everyone says there is. I am also sure the poster of that eye sore will say it is just a run of the mill mosin, not an american, early, french/ pick your flavor. So it is only a sub 100 gun....too bad the sub 100 guns are now 300 and that....thing...is always going to be a sub 100 gun....at least for the next 50 years or so.

I doubt we will come across another batch of "cheap" rifles coming in, days are gone I am afraid. So we will not have pretend "gunsmiths" destroying history...and it is all history. We are care takers for the next generation....well some are.

Before I go off on a deep end, I will leave you with a sporter rifle, guy paid only $15 for it, real cheap, so why not modify it....it will never be worth anything will it.

A fantastic example of 1940's back woods Tenn. gunsmithing work, by two teenage brothers that up to ones last day thinks this really looks good. Heck they could not afford the $25 for a springfield so this was the deer rifle....and used in the hills to put food on the table.

Do they get a pass......I think so, 1940 is very different from 2000 when you could get a good hunting rifle (if that is what you really wanted) that would out shoot any of the stuff that Olga slapped goop on while wondering if her husband still had his head.

I have to go, this topic will just get ugly if I hang around here.

Enjoy the same kind of work as done by the poster that destroyed the mosin.

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I like the checkering. Looks like it was drawn on with a pen.

I am a big fan of all military rifles but I guess I really have a hard time getting upset about people hacking up mosins. Not because they are not historically significant, but because there are 50 million of them out there. I mean if everybody keeps hacking them up eventually they will run out, much like what happened with the krags where there were not that many made to begin with and they were so popular to sporterize that there are almost no original ones left. Hard to imagine running out of original mosins though. Its kind of like someone cutting up a 63 corvette split window to make a race car vs a base model mustang. Hard for me to care about the mustang because there are a billion left.
 
Boy Scout,

If you actually are a Boy Scout (we have no way of knowing if you are 14, 41, or 98 here) let me encourage you to go for the Rifle Marksmanship merit badge. Camp Shands here in Florida up near Melrose has a good program during Summer Camp. Good aquatics as well which is nice after a July day on the range.

Also if you live in Deltona remember our state laws have changed and I believe ALL firearms must be purchased by a person over 21 these days. Also many counties have taken the option of adding a three to five day waiting period.

Yes there is a Challenge from NRA in the Federal Court (actually spoke with Ms. Hammer earlier today about that) but that could take virtually forever. (Think being politically active and changing the legislature is a more sure thing)

I have an M 1944 some girls gave me when they were $89 (actually it is Russian and has no importer mark and came in before the el cheapo Chinese guns and they paid about $150 for it) and I occasionally shoot it. Honestly if I were hunting or trying to actually hit something with regularity I would look for a used hunting rifle. I would not be the least bit surprised to find you could get a decent used Savage 110 series rifle in anything from .243 to .30-06 with a inexpensive scope like came on the package guns for less than a Mosin-Nagant these days.

If what you really want though is some army's Army Gun then I guess an M-N is ok but given what they go far today and the ammo today seriously I would consider a used commercial sporter.

I got to admit when I turned 18 I bought a beat up old army gun, a K98 mauser and used elcheapo surplus Full Metal Jacket Corrosive ammo in it. It was $35 out of a barrel at WoolCo when the cheapest new commercial rifles were about $100 and the ammo cost about 20 percent of what a box of commercial ammo cost. Those cost ratios are however nowhere close to the same these days. As folks have said those days are gone.

Good luck, get training, and be safe.

-kBob
 
That's what I was told you could find one for
If you look hard you may run across someone in your local area selling one for under $200. But if you’re not into collecting surplus guns, you would be better off buying a used hunting rifle in 30-06. You would be in the same power range, but with a modern rifle. That will also give you more options for mounting a scope.
 
Boy Scout,

If you actually are a Boy Scout (we have no way of knowing if you are 14, 41, or 98 here) let me encourage you to go for the Rifle Marksmanship merit badge. Camp Shands here in Florida up near Melrose has a good program during Summer Camp. Good aquatics as well which is nice after a July day on the range.

Also if you live in Deltona remember our state laws have changed and I believe ALL firearms must be purchased by a person over 21 these days. Also many counties have taken the option of adding a three to five day waiting period.

Yes there is a Challenge from NRA in the Federal Court (actually spoke with Ms. Hammer earlier today about that) but that could take virtually forever. (Think being politically active and changing the legislature is a more sure thing)

I have an M 1944 some girls gave me when they were $89 (actually it is Russian and has no importer mark and came in before the el cheapo Chinese guns and they paid about $150 for it) and I occasionally shoot it. Honestly if I were hunting or trying to actually hit something with regularity I would look for a used hunting rifle. I would not be the least bit surprised to find you could get a decent used Savage 110 series rifle in anything from .243 to .30-06 with a inexpensive scope like came on the package guns for less than a Mosin-Nagant these days.

If what you really want though is some army's Army Gun then I guess an M-N is ok but given what they go far today and the ammo today seriously I would consider a used commercial sporter.

I got to admit when I turned 18 I bought a beat up old army gun, a K98 mauser and used elcheapo surplus Full Metal Jacket Corrosive ammo in it. It was $35 out of a barrel at WoolCo when the cheapest new commercial rifles were about $100 and the ammo cost about 20 percent of what a box of commercial ammo cost. Those cost ratios are however nowhere close to the same these days. As folks have said those days are gone.

Good luck, get training, and be safe.

-kBob

I'm not a youth anymore. I have already completed my eagle, earned my venturing gold. Have all the shooting sports badges and the venturing marksmanship. I teach and work at the Paisley camp of Florida, la no che and I'm an RSO in all shooting sports. I know modern guns, but not old militia firearms. So trying to learn something new . Thanks
 
If you look hard you may run across someone in your local area selling one for under $200. But if you’re not into collecting surplus guns, you would be better off buying a used hunting rifle in 30-06. You would be in the same power range, but with a modern rifle. That will also give you more options for mounting a scope.


Yeah I have new I just want to do/try something different.
 
Yeah I have new I just want to do/try something different.
If you do find you a Mosin that is still in military dress, it would be best not to modify it, so that it will hold it’s value. But if you do want to mount a scope on it, I know a guy up in PA. That makes a steel scope mount that is rock solid and mounts on the rear sight without modifications.
The real challenge to hunting with old military guns is hunting with it just like it would have been used in combat.
Good luck with your search.
 
Gunny's correct about not modifying an old military rifle and that guy in PA he's referring to is most likely S & K Scope Mounts. www.scopemounts.com and they have a mount that fits on the rear sight base of Mosins for using a scout scope without hacking it up and the gun can be returned to its original configuration when desired. I had one of their scout scope mounts on the rear sight base of my K 98 Mauser for 10 years (2007-2017) with a Leupold scout scope and I liked it and had no problems. Decided to turn back the clock on the K98 last year and now it looks all original once again with no sign of ever having been scoped. If their Mosin mount is as good as my K98 mount I'd highly recommend it, if that's the plan for the gun.
 
Ive made a good living using Mosin Nagant's, in particular, the Finnish variety.
I used to collect them, and the wife did too, and we shot them all. Every country, as many variations we could find and very inexpensive.
Like Stalin said, ''Quantity has a quality all of its own''
Back in the early 90's Finns were dirt cheap, but names like SAKO, and TIKKA and VALMET as makers had me a bit interested, and it was Mosinitus since. If I couldnt hold one, I read about them.......LOL
The original Russian Rifles were fine rifles as well. The Finns just tweeked them a bit more. Any make of Mosins can be a great shooter, some are just worn out. You don't know until you try.
50,000,000 made , but only a percentage of that survived.

But the proof was in the delivery, the bullet. The bullet is the weapon, everything else is a delivery system.
The weight 0f the Finns(my favorite is the M-39 ) has the recoil at a minimum and that makes them comfortable for the wife and daughters.
Good balance, good sights to 400 yards, and a rod to clean the barrel of mud/snow, and scrub a chamber. Just needs a butstock cleaning kit trap and it would need any further improvement.

From my experience you can enjoy your rifle alot if you keep it clean.
Keep the chamber shiny and lightly oiled. "Sticky Bolt' is usually a dirty chamber. Lacquered ammo ( that is often corrosively primed) will gum it up fastest. Brass or copper washed cases will have less problems.
The bolt is unblued so that you will notice and remove any rust/tarnish/crap and keep it clean.

Lube the surfaces that cam the bolt and cocking knob against each other at the rear of the bolt.

You have an ''Interrupter' that actually lifts the next cartridge to be fed into the chamber, so ''Rimlock' is impossible with a fuctioning interrupter, so theres never a need to ''stack' any ammo rim first. Sometimes grease and wood will foul your interrupter, so when you have the stock is off the metals, inspect the stock as well.
A broken interrupter will bind a bolt too, as it lies besides and is activated by the bolt its self.

The best for you would likely be some commercial ammo of recent manufacture, that is non corrosive in priming and reasonably priced.
150 grain loads will likely match your sights 'enthusiastic' range setting, and be mild in recoil. Heavier loads are easily available as well, and I specifically buy Hornady red tipped hollow points and the girls have no problem with recoil.
Milsurp Czeck ammo and I can drop running Wolves at distance. Before I had my Rights taken away, I posted such regular like , here on these forums and others, and now that I have them back, its an M-39 I prefer over the others.
I live over the hill and far away, so shipping is half my expenses here. I do without most solvents, and have found that dipping my cleaning brush into my boat/snowmachines gas tank, I can scrub away, AND lube/protect bare steel with 2 cycle oil. The TCW-3 in such oils also keeps it from gelling at -40, which makes for great deep cold lube. That or its Seal oil.....LOL!!
I just carry hot water in a thermos when hunting , or boil some up, where ever I am., I use it to clean the corrosive priming salts out of my barrel by pouring boiling hot water down the chamber end and scrub, then rinse with another flush . Its the only Xtra step involved, and specifically for the salts the priming strews down the barrel, attracting and holding moisture to your steel bore...
The water dissolves the salts and the heat will transfer to the barrel and it will self dry in under a minute. Then a go with solvents and a protective coat of oil , and its a normal cleaning , just like everyone in the military was taught, "Clean your rifle and keep it clean''.Same gos for hunting, and when there's plenty of malfunctions that happen at 70+ to -40 with snow, fog and the Ocean, keeping a tool like a rifle in order for use is a constant process.
Plain old water poured or on wet patches will dissolve the salts too, but a good couple of patches to dry the bore are in order.
If its cold out, we leave our rifles out side to avoid ''sweating' the condensation in a warm house on frozen steel can gather alot of water and give you troubles. I often grease the steel thats under the wood.

Finally , use the safety, much the way a Russian would have or one of my daughters do; drop the butt stock from a firing position into the crook of your right arm while grasping the cocking knob with the thumb and forefingers, the left are grasping the stock firmly.
Then , with the buttstock fairly against the bicep, pulling the cocking knob is made much easier but the push back your bicep muscle will give when it swells to function the muscles that are pulling the cocking knob back. Then a simple twist and relax. Same for taking the safety off.
The safety functions EXTREMELY well, and locks the bolt closed, which is great when you drive around on a snowmachine or do not want small children to work/cycle the action.

You have an excellent rifle built by smart people. They kept it simple, and kept them clean. They were Socialists and not likely paid well, but the rifles are not ''Cheap' by any means, they are a bargin, even today.
 
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Caribou,
Did you get your legal situation cleared up?
Can you possess & use again?
Denis
 
This is what I missed the most (not the 300 yard gong...)

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Thats me and my 16 year old daughter Carol, trying out each others rifles at a 300 yard steel gong. She has a cool Chinese SKS, that Im shooting, and mine, with the at the trigger, is an M-39 Mosin. Now shes large enough to carry and shoot my M-39 all day, and her days with a mid range cartridge on the open tundra are over.

Make mine a Mosin.
 
Just do your research and learn.....One name you need to know is Mitchell.
Your not talking about the Rip Off Company Mitchell Mausers? They will sell you a refurbished M48. That would be one that they cleaned, sanded and refinished the stock, reblued the metal and forced matched numbers if needed, and call it a Premium Select Grade Rifle. And only charge you $700. They are to only Importer that has been able to find hidden, pristine cashes of Mausers. If you believe that, I know where Jimmy Hoffa is.
 
Dont make me post pictures of the one I chopped the stock down on and painted green!
I'm all about, It's your rifle do as you want. I just ask that before chopping one up, do your homework. There are run of the mill Mosins and then there are ones worth a lot of money.
I walked into a pawn shop a few years ago and spotted an ugly Mosin on the rack marked as a 91/30. The price was $240. After a little haggling I got it for $200 plus tax. What I walked out with was a Mosin M91 Dragoon that was Finn marked with first series handguard and bands. Just the handguard and bands were worth over $100. At the time the rifle was worth about $450, now it would bring $600 to $900.
 
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