Who's got the oldest manual???
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One of my favorite excerpts from that manual is the discussion on brass cleaning. My, how things have changed!
Ironicaintit
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I dont use it for load reference,but it was one of the many manuals I read before I ever punched out a round. I think it still has a lot going for it, as far as the process goes, and things to watch out for. I have a hard time throwing books away, unless it's just useless drivel
mcb
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I like the old manuals to read and see how it was done in the past but when I am working up a new load I only turn to new manuals and then only if I can't find what I need from online published sources. I want the newest data I can get and data with barrel length, velocity and pressure data if at all possible. I then almost always run that data through Quickloads to double check and decide on my charge increment as I work up to the velocity I want.
If you dig around on the internet you can find digital scans of some pretty old texts. I have several old collections of ballistic papers and texts going back into the late 1800's. I really like reading old papers and texts on internal ballistics papers. One notable introduction talked about the fact that though the new smokeless powder has certain promising characteristics it still has a long ways to go before it would replace gun powder (we would called it black powder now.) In another paper the author compares several other researchers' attempts at modeling aerodynamic drag on a projectile in flight. None of them modeled drag the way we do now although several were very close to the current Fd = 0.5 rho* A * Cd * v^2. It was cool to see how they were integrating the first bit of electricity based technology into the research efforts. There where papers on using pendulums and electromagnets to create some very early but remarkably good chronographs. The calculus they used though notated somewhat differently then I learn in school quickly became readable and it was cool to see math I understood even as I saw modeling of the physics was still not where we are today.
Old text are good references and great history but I want the latest and greatest if I am going to used it for real world work.
If you dig around on the internet you can find digital scans of some pretty old texts. I have several old collections of ballistic papers and texts going back into the late 1800's. I really like reading old papers and texts on internal ballistics papers. One notable introduction talked about the fact that though the new smokeless powder has certain promising characteristics it still has a long ways to go before it would replace gun powder (we would called it black powder now.) In another paper the author compares several other researchers' attempts at modeling aerodynamic drag on a projectile in flight. None of them modeled drag the way we do now although several were very close to the current Fd = 0.5 rho* A * Cd * v^2. It was cool to see how they were integrating the first bit of electricity based technology into the research efforts. There where papers on using pendulums and electromagnets to create some very early but remarkably good chronographs. The calculus they used though notated somewhat differently then I learn in school quickly became readable and it was cool to see math I understood even as I saw modeling of the physics was still not where we are today.
Old text are good references and great history but I want the latest and greatest if I am going to used it for real world work.
You guys have some cool old manuals.
I just have a couple passed on to me by a friend.
The shooters bible only has a handful of shotshell loads. But a little of everything for sale.
And exploded views / parts lists of a few shotguns, pistols, and rifles.
And ballistics tables.
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I just have a couple passed on to me by a friend.
The shooters bible only has a handful of shotshell loads. But a little of everything for sale.
And exploded views / parts lists of a few shotguns, pistols, and rifles.
And ballistics tables.
I left the 2 pics fairly large to show the details.
Looks like the images resized on uploading.
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entropy
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I had the same Speer manual as the OP, until my basement flooded, and the mildew killed it. My oldest one now is the Speer #9 Manual, c. 1974, IIRC.
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