questions on depredation permit hunting -Ohio specifically?

tallpaul · Jan 19, 2019

Hi- I meta guy I sold a rifle to and he mentioned he was hunting deer on his buddies farm under a depredation permit. I was invited. What information/papers will I need to make sure I am legal? The hunting wont be challenging from what I hear but we can keep some/most of the meat

heck about any rifle is legal for the use so it may be hard to choose

Have any of you done it- especially in ohio? Thanks in advance!

Grumulkin · Jan 19, 2019

1. To be legal you must have WRITTEN permission from the property owner in your possesion while hunting on his property. Your buddy cannot give you permission and if anyone ever, after haven gotten permission to hunt on my property, brought someone to whom I had not given permission, it would be the last time that person hunted there. In addition, if I saw two people hunting when there should have been only one, I would call the sheriff or wildlife enforcement officer.

2. You can keep all of the meat. Any antlers must be destroyed (buried is OK).

3. You have to have a current hunting license.

4. You have to be listed as a hunter on the nuisance permit of the property owner.

5. You must tag and report any deer that you shoot. A nuisance permit will give the number of deer that may be taken on that permit. The kills may be reported on the internet.

Captcurt · Jan 19, 2019

It will be interesting to see how many permits we get this year. The biologist is coming next month to take a census. I went to pull stands after our Christmas season and saw 21 head in 2 hours. Don't think that I hurt them too bad.

tallpaul · Jan 20, 2019

Grumulkin said:
1. To be legal you must have WRITTEN permission from the property owner in your possesion while hunting on his property. Your buddy cannot give you permission and if anyone ever, after haven gotten permission to hunt on my property, brought someone to whom I had not given permission, it would be the last time that person hunted there. In addition, if I saw two people hunting when there should have been only one, I would call the sheriff or wildlife enforcement officer.

2. You can keep all of the meat. Any antlers must be destroyed (buried is OK).

3. You have to have a current hunting license.

4. You have to be listed as a hunter on the nuisance permit of the property owner.

5. You must tag and report any deer that you shoot. A nuisance permit will give the number of deer that may be taken on that permit. The kills may be reported on the internet.

thanks for the info-could have done without your assuming it was the non property owner that invited me or that I would go unless the property owner was the one hwp invited me. I just nned/needed to know what other stuff I need and it all sound easy enough. The guy wants rid of tthe deer and wants hunters... if anything feels fish or the paperwork is not in order it wont be me being involved!

Axis II · Jan 20, 2019

tallpaul said:
thanks for the info-could have done without your assuming it was the non property owner that invited me or that I would go unless the property owner was the one hwp invited me. I just nned/needed to know what other stuff I need and it all sound easy enough. The guy wants rid of tthe deer and wants hunters... if anything feels fish or the paperwork is not in order it wont be me being involved!

I took it the same way grumulkin did. Yeah he came of a little hot in the first paragraph, but I 100% took it as some joe blow you met invited you hunting

Grumulkin · Jan 20, 2019

tallpaul said:
thanks for the info-could have done without your assuming it was the non property owner that invited me or that I would go unless the property owner was the one hwp invited me. I just nned/needed to know what other stuff I need and it all sound easy enough. The guy wants rid of tthe deer and wants hunters... if anything feels fish or the paperwork is not in order it wont be me being involved!

I didn't assume anything. You didn't know Ohio hunting laws or you wouldn't have asked the question. All the rules can be found at http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/huntingandtrappingregulations.

This winter I gave someone permission to hunt waterfoul on my property. My rule is, and I told him about it in my initial conversation with him, is that I have a copy of the hunter's driver license and that I mail the permit to them. The permit states what may be hunted and releases me from all liability for them being there which, as a landowner, I think is reasonable. The guy wanted to hunt the next day so I made an exception and told him he could. Within an hour after he left he called me asking me if a buddy could hunt with him. He knew my rules and had to ask that question? No. I kindly made an exception for him but that doesn't mean carte blanche for his buddy. It did have a happy ending for him; he had a great hunt, killed a bunch of ducks and geese and thanked me profusely. That said, don't make it inconvinient for the landowner. I prepare the permit, I pay the postage and my charge for the privilege of hunting on my property is ZERO.

Several years ago I was in a similar situation as are you. Someone who had permission to hunt deer on another person's property invited me to go with them. I said no; not unless I'm given written permission. I play by the rules.

In Ohio, to hunt on another person's property requires written permission whether or not the land is posted. In Pennsylvania, where I used to live, the land has to be posted every few feet so, what do the hunters do? They tear down the signs and hunt anyway. I had to discharge quite a few of them. The solution is to call the police and make a record of the trespassing and then for subsequent violations one has a case for criminal tresspassing. My patience with tresspassing nonsense has worn very thin. Both I and my wife want to know who are on our property and when they're there.

Axis II · Jan 20, 2019

Grumulkin said:
I didn't assume anything. You didn't know Ohio hunting laws or you wouldn't have asked the question. All the rules can be found at http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/huntingandtrappingregulations.

This winter I gave someone permission to hunt waterfoul on my property. My rule is, and I told him about it in my initial conversation with him, is that I have a copy of the hunter's driver license and that I mail the permit to them. The permit states what may be hunted and releases me from all liability for them being there which, as a landowner, I think is reasonable. The guy wanted to hunt the next day so I made an exception and told him he could. Within an hour after he left he called me asking me if a buddy could hunt with him. He knew my rules and had to ask that question? No. I kindly made an exception for him but that doesn't mean carte blanche for his buddy. It did have a happy ending for him; he had a great hunt, killed a bunch of ducks and geese and thanked me profusely. That said, don't make it inconvinient for the landowner. I prepare the permit, I pay the postage and my charge for the privilege of hunting on my property is ZERO.

Several years ago I was in a similar situation as are you. Someone who had permission to hunt deer on another person's property invited me to go with them. I said no; not unless I'm given written permission. I play by the rules.

In Ohio, to hunt on another person's property requires written permission whether or not the land is posted. In Pennsylvania, where I used to live, the land has to be posted every few feet so, what do the hunters do? They tear down the signs and hunt anyway. I had to discharge quite a few of them. The solution is to call the police and make a record of the trespassing and then for subsequent violations one has a case for criminal tresspassing. My patience with tresspassing nonsense has worn very thin. Both I and my wife want to know who are on our property and when they're there.

Just a question-why not allow a buddy to duck hunt with him? Is it just cause the buddy doesn’t come and talks to you? I understand not wanting to have 50ppl out there. My buddy and I team up and knock on doors. He’s introduced me to farmers and I’ve been told I can only hunt with my buddy which happens anyways.

Grumulkin · Jan 20, 2019

I would have let the buddy duck hunt with him but for a few things. The person I gave permission to hunt knew someone I knew so I was able to call that person for a reference. He had his driver licence with him which I copied. I had no information on his buddy and no copy of his buddy's driver license. He also arrived asking for permission the day before he wanted to hunt so I couldn't mail a permit to him on time. I mail the permit so I know the address they give me for their residence is correct. If it had been done a little differently; i.e., come a few days before asking for permission and getting me the driver license copy I require, I would have let his buddy come to hunt with him. I made an exception for one person, probably against my better judgement, but I'm not going to do it for two.

Some other details on prior experiences with hunters like the bow hunters in full camo that arrived at the BACK door while my wife was home alone asking to hunt early one morning (a Saturday as I recall). Then this year two guys arriving at the front door early one Saturday morning asking to hunt and then argueing with my wife when she told them no. There is a sign on my 1/4 mile driveway that says no trespassing so none of these guys had any business being there.

So, to hunters who may be contemplating doing similar things. Catch a clue. Try coming at a decent hour on a decent day attired in something that looks civilized. I guarantee that the guy that arrived asking to hunt that I gave permission to, wouldn't have been given permission by my wife; I am a lot more understanding about the attire of a guy that works at manual labor having gotten VERY dirty myself at times.

Axis II · Jan 20, 2019

Grumulkin said:
I would have let the buddy duck hunt with him but for a few things. The person I gave permission to hunt knew someone I knew so I was able to call that person for a reference. He had his driver licence with him which I copied. I had no information on his buddy and no copy of his buddy's driver license. He also arrived asking for permission the day before he wanted to hunt so I couldn't mail a permit to him on time. I mail the permit so I know the address they give me for their residence is correct. If it had been done a little differently; i.e., come a few days before asking for permission and getting me the driver license copy I require, I would have let his buddy come to hunt with him. I made an exception for one person, probably against my better judgement, but I'm not going to do it for two.

Some other details on prior experiences with hunters like the bow hunters in full camo that arrived at the BACK door while my wife was home alone asking to hunt early one morning (a Saturday as I recall). Then this year two guys arriving at the front door early one Saturday morning asking to hunt and then argueing with my wife when she told them no. There is a sign on my 1/4 mile driveway that says no trespassing so none of these guys had any business being there.

So, to hunters who may be contemplating doing similar things. Catch a clue. Try coming at a decent hour on a decent day attired in something that looks civilized. I guarantee that the guy that arrived asking to hunt that I gave permission to, wouldn't have been given permission by my wife; I am a lot more understanding about the attire of a guy that works at manual labor having gotten VERY dirty myself at times.

I get what your saying. We try and go on a Saturday around 11am-2pm or weekdays after 5pm. We don't get many No's or upset people. Only no I have gotten was a guy whos kid hunts his 2 acres that our 2 permission properties connects to. Only reason we wanted it was incase we needed to track and not have to guess property lines. We wear a clean pair of boots, jeans with a decent shirt tucked in and bring an apple pie or box of cookies from the grocery store bakery. I don't think id be coming up a driveway that says no trespassing anyways.
What was the deal with the bow hunters? Did they track to your property and not know how to get to the house and ask permission? I ran into this on some public land I shot a nice buck, he ran and jumped the fence onto another property. I could see the house, but had absolutely no clue how to get to the house because there was like 3 roads on the other side of the woods. I contemplated just stripping off the camo and walking the woods with no firearm and knock on the front door. I looked at my map for 15min and said where the heck is this road this house is on? The landowner came up to the fence cause he saw me and buddy standing there in orange and he wasn't happy I shot the deer he had been watching. Not allowed to track either.

I agree asking if a buddy can come is kind of rude. I did this one time only because my buddy had permission years ago. I pulled up and the guy came outside and was a little standoffish. I introduced myself with first and last name and came right out and said I'm seeking permission to hunt. He said okay, no problem and we chatted for 20min. He asked me to shoot as many coyote and coon as I could and it dawned on me my buddy has a coon dog. I said hey buck, do you mind if my buddy came with me to coyote and coon hunt? He said not a problem! Thanks for asking first.

Grumulkin · Jan 20, 2019

The bow hunters hadn't shot anything. They just wanted to hunt the property.

buck460XVR · Jan 20, 2019

tallpaul said:
thanks for the info-could have done without your assuming it was the non property owner that invited me or that I would go unless the property owner was the one hwp invited me. I just nned/needed to know what other stuff I need and it all sound easy enough. The guy wants rid of tthe deer and wants hunters... if anything feels fish or the paperwork is not in order it wont be me being involved!

IMHO, Grumulkin gave you a very complete answer to your question, done promptly and courteously, without any condescension. Why the raised hackles?

Captcurt · Jan 20, 2019

ohihunter2014 said:
Just a question-why not allow a buddy to duck hunt with him? Is it just cause the buddy doesn’t come and talks to you? I understand not wanting to have 50ppl out there. My buddy and I team up and knock on doors. He’s introduced me to farmers and I’ve been told I can only hunt with my buddy which happens anyways.

The problem with taking someone with you usually leads to it snowballing. They hunt, or fish, with you a few times and then take someone else, and then another. Soon the land owner has enough and you all get sent on your way. Best to say sorry, but I can't take you. Seen it happen several times. No more.

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