Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Challenge to a NYC Gun Law

Speedo66 · Jan 23, 2019

The US Supreme Court has agreed to hear a challenge to an, to me, absurd NYC law re: transportation of a legally licensed gun outside the city.

The law prohibits moving the gun to any place other than one of the 7 ranges in the city. Thus, someone who has a second home outside the city, or wishes to go to a range outside the city, is barred from doing so. By the way, going to the range in NYC involves the range documenting your visit. What other right involves that?

I think this is a no brainer as to outcome, my belief is the law will definitely fall. If the city is looking to safeguard guns, how is leaving it behind in an empty apartment, perhaps for an extended period, safer than it being safeguarded by it's owner?

Importantly, this shows the new makeup of the court is willing to hear 2A challenges.

Here's the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/us/politics/supreme-court-guns-nyc-license.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

By the way, read some of the reader comments. Even several anti's think this law is ridiculous.

Jack B. · Jan 23, 2019

NY will ignore however The US Supreme Court rules.

6.8KT · Jan 23, 2019

Ginsburg is looking to die/retire soon, which will stack the court in our favor on this issue. I expect a lot of challenges to gun control will be forthcoming.
De facto national concealed carry is probably not far off.
See, the practice of blockbusting has enabled them to successfully and cheaply buy up all the inner-city land they wished for.
Now it's time to make the cities safe and desirable again, to fulfill this plan:

... where everybody useful to them, the tax donkeys, lives inside the circles.
Outside a circle? Expect decreasing economic opportunity and increasing lawlessness.
http://www.america2050.org/maps

So yeah, lots of silly and overreaching gun control laws enacted by certain states and municipalities will be struck down.

donandmax · Jan 23, 2019

6.8KT said:
Ginsburg is looking to die/retire soon, which will stack the court in our favor on this issue. I expect a lot of challenges to gun control will be forthcoming.
De facto national concealed carry is probably not far off.
See, the practice of blockbusting has enabled them to successfully and cheaply buy up all the inner-city land they wished for.
Now it's time to make the cities safe and desirable again, to fulfill this plan:
View attachment 822662 ... where everybody useful to them, the tax donkeys, lives inside the circles.
Outside a circle? Expect decreasing economic opportunity and increasing lawlessness.
http://www.america2050.org/maps

So yeah, lots of silly and overreaching gun control laws enacted by certain states and municipalities will be struck down.

National concealed carry will NEVER happen EVER. the dems won't let it and the republicans have given up on it. Make good sense that it should but it ain't gonna happen " so don't hold your breath"

AirForceShooter · Jan 23, 2019

Don't start jumping up and down with glee just yet.
The Heller decision was very narrow and only involved purchasing a gun to have in your house.
It didn't address transport or carry.

AFS

Madcap_Magician · Jan 23, 2019

AirForceShooter said:
Don't start jumping up and down with glee just yet.
The Heller decision was very narrow and only involved purchasing a gun to have in your house.
It didn't address transport or carry.

AFS

That's why this case is interesting. None of the (many) other 2A cases were granted cert since McDonald v. Chicago. Part of that was probably strategic on the part of the conservative half of the court, because a lot of them were about restrictions that Anthony Kennedy might well have voted to hold as Constitutional. Obviously with Brett Kavanaugh on the court, a more reliably conservative justice, that calculus has changed.

Even still, I really doubt they will make a broad, sweeping decision about transport or carry, even though this case is about transport. It's very rare to get a broad and sweeping case from SCOTUS, they almost always decide cases on the lowest and narrowest level of reasoning possible to reach a decision, and they avoid broad answers to Constitutional questions whenever possible.

gifbohane · Jan 23, 2019

Watch out for the swing vote of the Chief Judge Roberts... he could go either way as he did with Ubamacare. NYC claims it has 7 ranges (for 9 million citizens.) They are located in dingy neighborhoods and are VERY expensive, VERY small, VERY intimidating and are located on busy streets with no parking anywhere not even parfking lots. One in Queens is open a few hours a day,cost $500 a year and is run by one of the most obnoxious men in NY. Cross into Nassau with your pistol and go directly to jail. A fifteen year old kid sticks up a bodega in the South Bronx with a 9mm... well you know...

ATLDave · Jan 23, 2019

Reasonable aspirations for things to get out of this:
1) Clarification that level of scrutiny is either strict or some form of intermediate that is not satisfied just because some lawmakers hope/feel/believe that their preferred gun control measure will improve public safety.
1A) Clarification that even lower levels of scrutiny still require something beyond a bare assumption that more rules about guns = more safety.
2) Language explaining that 2A rights go beyond the home.
3) Language that cautions against targeting gun owners for rule-based harassment such that even legal 2a-protected activity is chilled through pervasive, ever-shifting rule schemes with draconian enforcement/penalties.

Any of those would be good to get, would seem to fit with the subject matter of the case, and would be within realistic hopes.

GEM · Jan 23, 2019

Here's a fearful article about more guns on the street!

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ny-rifle-pistol-association-v-city-ny/581017/

The horror is that with 45 states or so having shall issue permits, maybe the rest of them might go that way. Of course, it would be in the big clearly antigun states where the authors reside.

Frank Ettin · Jan 23, 2019

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