Remington Arms layoffs

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Enfielder said:
55 people are losing their jobs to a "downturn" in the firearms market.
Perhaps that has something to do with a downturn in quality.
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I think the economy has never recovered since 2007/8. I hope Remington survives and improves its quality. They get a succession of hedge fund hyenas who gut the company.
 
I remember back in the '60's when I was living in Great Falls, Montana and everything I bought was Remington, a model 700, 721, and 722. All of the ammo I bought was Remington from .22 caliber and up. For the past 30 years I've never purchased another Remington product. Remington lost their way when Dupont dropped them. So sad as they had some great products!
 
Geez, it's almost as though some here are celebrating the demise of yet another formerly esteemed American gun manufacturer. An honored name.

We should be mourning this situation.

As an aside, I recently picked up a new Marlin rifle (post Remington ownership) that exhibits some good quality, good fit and finish, and excellent reliability and accuracy.
 
ohihunter2014 said:
While its very sad and hard for me when people lose American jobs I cant say I'm surprised. IMO anything Remington I have touched other than the older rem700 rifles are complete crap!! I am not going to spend $600 on a rem700 when I can get a savage that will shoot tighter groups and better CS for $400. Jacking the price up on stuff when the quality isn't there doesn't help matters much.

People complain about the Chevy plant in my state closing. You want $40k for a Chevy Cruze! I am all for higher wages, benefits, etc. but c'mon people you want $40hr and unlimited overtime in your contracts to push buttons. My plant almost went on strike last summer because a guy sitting in an air conditioned office, watching a computer screen and clicking a mouse wanted $35hr instead of $30 and 6-8 weeks vacation. We have fork lift operators who get a full hour or breaks daily, sit around when there aren't orders to be done, air and heat year round, company paid uniforms, boots, 4 weeks vacation, free coffee and yet complain or try and sabotage things every chance they get and then want more $ and eventually the place closes down because they cant afford it anymore or the customer goes elsewhere.
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Firstly, no Cruze is $40k, they're regularly about $25k for the Diesel and under 20 for the gasoline. I wouldn't buy anything Chevy made after the year 2000 tho.

But the comparison between Remington and Chevy is a good one because both their quality sucks, however for Remington I think it just has to do with the fact that there are better rifles from better companies with better QC and customer service. Back in the day when the 700 had the best trigger in an affordable bolt action and the 870 had a slick action, they were top choices, but times have changed. We've got Accutriggers and AR's with drop in triggers and rifles that will shoot sub MOA with ease and cost $500.

Why take the chance on a Remington when you know Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, and S&W make a product you don't have to question?
 
TTv2 said:
But the comparison between Remington and Chevy is a good one because both their quality sucks,
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Gosh, as the owner of no less than eight Chevrolet vehicles since 2000, I'm gonna hoist the BS flag here. And I can read Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, Motor Trend and look at the JD Power ratings as easily as the next guy, but most importantly, I rely on my own experience ...

I simply don't think some of you guys have been around long enough to render educated opinions on the topic at hand. Many of us have been shooting Remington firearms longer than some of y'all have been breathing oxygen on this planet. I'm left to wonder exactly of how many of the haters here have actually purchased, owned and used Remington products. And if you haven't -- shame on you, you've no right to talk about the quality of this maker's products.
 
Remington has been their own worst enemy and they will suffer the consequences of it. It's a shame when thinking of how renowned Remington once was but all is as it should be.
 
If one wants 700 there is Bergara. If one wants classic pump there is Ithaca of Ohio. If one wants 1911 there are Ruger, Springfield Armory,....... It's ok if there is no Remington. No problemo, life will go on as usual. What happened after famous "Shirt Maker" went out of business years ago? Nothing!
 
Oops, please replace "Shirtmaker" with Olin-Winchester.
Good news, Remington .45 230gr ball is $15.97 per box of 50 at Walmart.
 
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Milt1 said:
I remember back in the '60's when I was living in Great Falls, Montana and everything I bought was Remington, a model 700, 721, and 722. All of the ammo I bought was Remington from .22 caliber and up. For the past 30 years I've never purchased another Remington product. Remington lost their way when Dupont dropped them. So sad as they had some great products!
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Milt, the best of the lot was 725. You missed the "boat".
 
This is a bummer, but not unexpected.

I have a Remington Nylon 66 that was given to me. It's the only Remington I'll likely ever own. I've personally seen and also heard of a lot of issues over the years on a variety of models. Plus, they just don't make anything I have an interest in.

Their reloading components, maybe I'll buy some in the future, but I haven't yet.
 
I must be the luckiest man alive, (yet I never win the LOTTO) I have Remington's and Chevs, I even have 3 newer Chevys, including a new Silverado I bought a few months ago.

Those two brands have been some of the best products I've ever bought...

DM
 
Old Dog said:
Geez, it's almost as though some here are celebrating the demise of yet another formerly esteemed American gun manufacturer. An honored name.

We should be mourning this situation.

As an aside, I recently picked up a new Marlin rifle (post Remington ownership) that exhibits some good quality, good fit and finish, and excellent reliability and accuracy.
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I agree. What's to celebrate about the oldest gunmaker in this country, a vertically integrated and diversified manufacturer who produces something to cover every shooting discipline, having financial difficulties.

I vehemently disagree that all new Remington products are garbage. The R51 has been plagued (gee, no other mfr has had a troublesome model, right?), and yes, quality suffered under Cerberus. That's happened with other makers, and the market gave them another chance when they shed burdensome management. Does big green not deserve that?

I build out quite a few precision rifles. A good share of them are on plain old M700 receivers. I've actually had more trouble with out-of-spec features on $1,300 Defiance actions than Remington, which doesn't take much, because all of the M700 actions have been fine.

I own 21 Remington firearms, have plans to add others. I hope the company is still around when my children's grandchildren are grey.
 
Manufacturing companies do not always fail because of the product. It is old news that they were in a re-structuring of their business a few years back which would mean lay offs. And if I am not mistaken, they sold more shotguns than any manufacturer, at least they did a few years back. Remington as been around the block many times. My money say's they are not going anywhere and will bounce back even stronger. While I do not own a Remington, a number of guys in my hunt club do and I would not walk in there and start bashing Remington like you see on the internet. And speaking of the Internet. Many just wait with a can of Gasoline to help flame the fires. And the Fires on the internet spread pretty darn fast. Reminds me of CNN.
 
I call my two Remington RM380s about as close to perfect pistols as I have found in well over a half century searching and fondling. They work well with any ammo brand or style, are easy to rack, fun to shoot and simply disappear in a pocket.

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jar said:
I call my two Remington RM380s about as close to perfect pistols as I have found in well over a half century searching and fondling. They work well with any ammo brand or style, are easy to rack, fun to shoot and simply disappear in a pocket.

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Nice. It would have been smart to bring out clone of R9 instead of R51. Most gun owners looking for carry guns don't buy unusual designs that don't work.
 
Remington missed a whole series of changes in the gun market and they are paying for it.

They still make some decent shotguns and hunting rifles, but the biggest market is in self defense handguns and AR style rifles and they were very late to the self defense handgun market.

The nature of business is that businesses don't typically last forever. They die off and new ones take their place. It is just part of the business cycle.
 
IdahoSkies said:
I still feel remington shotguns are still very solid .Yeah the wingmasters now are not as they were, but the V3 and the versamax are some innovative and quality pieces.

Certainly the R51 debacle and the title quality have not kept up, but Remington s problems, like most companies in fanger, made bad business decisions and are paying that price. Unfortunately, a good product is only one part of a successful company.
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The Wingmasters are fine. To compete with the Chinese stuff, they came out with the Express, which most likely describes the manufacturing process for that gun - make it as fast as possible.
 
So far my R51 Gen 2 that I bought from PSA for $180 has been problem free through about 200 rounds, not a lot I know. I bought it because it was cheap and wanted to study the action as I really like the original. It does however bite the web of my hand where the grip safety meets the beavertail. But overall, it's well built, rated for +p and has good lines to it.

I'm with those who state it's a sad day to see a firearms manufacturer struggle, I hope for the best with Remington, and by best I would really like them to be sold off in whole to a wealthy firearms enthusiast with a business mind that turns the ship around. It's a death knell for a company to be bought out by a hedge fund conglomerate as they only have profits in mind.
 
Yep, people want it good and cheap. If they can have only one, they pick cheap. Then they complain that it’s junk.

I buy the best version of what I’m generally looking for, within reason. Sadly, and I’m being serious here, Remington no longer is a company that makes anything I want for a quality and price point I’m willing to accept. For less money I can have a better, similar rifle. For 0-50% more money I can have a better version of anything in their lineup.

I think their shotguns are still really good, but who buys a NIB 870 when the used market is what it is?

Once their name is ruined, I’ll guess they’re done.
 
IMO I think most the younger generations are buying Remington and Remington clothing because its a known name that's been around for along time. Once I got older I realized that Remington is the only gun/ammo company that sells trinkets, clothing, hats, hunting clothing, etc. When you plaster your name on a bunch of stuff people tend to think its the only one out there and buy it.
 
paulsj said:
Milt, the best of the lot was 725. You missed the "boat".
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One Air Force pay, I missed many "boats" but my time in Montana was fantastic. My wife and I still communicate with and visit the Montana friends that we made in The Big Sky country. We are also in touch with our Air Force buddies who all moved back east. Miss those days immensely!
 
TTv2 said:
Firstly, no Cruze is $40k, they're regularly about $25k for the Diesel and under 20 for the gasoline. I wouldn't buy anything Chevy made after the year 2000 tho.

But the comparison between Remington and Chevy is a good one because both their quality sucks, however for Remington I think it just has to do with the fact that there are better rifles from better companies with better QC and customer service. Back in the day when the 700 had the best trigger in an affordable bolt action and the 870 had a slick action, they were top choices, but times have changed. We've got Accutriggers and AR's with drop in triggers and rifles that will shoot sub MOA with ease and cost $500.

Why take the chance on a Remington when you know Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, and S&W make a product you don't have to question?
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And yet, they have all had their clinkers and recalls as well.;)
 
ohihunter2014 said:
IMO I think most the younger generations are buying Remington and Remington clothing because its a known name that's been around for along time. Once I got older I realized that Remington is the only gun/ammo company that sells trinkets, clothing, hats, hunting clothing, etc. When you plaster your name on a bunch of stuff people tend to think its the only one out there and buy it.
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So all your years and you have never visited a Ruger Store? They even sell Chinese made Air Rifles (clones of German made), hats, and everything else. All of the manufacturers mention sell crap all the time.
I doubt the vast majority of younger Generations even heard of Remington. Most are into the anti gun clothing like UnderArmour etc. (or what ever it is called)
 
Sad news, I'm hoping Remington somehow, someway, figures out a way to operate in the black, be profitable, and provide a good product at a good price. I've never bought a Remington but I inherited 3 guns from my grandfather. I've seen a few different threads here discussing Remington issues, and suggestions on how to fix problems. All I can say is it must be complicated, that is, whatever is happening with Remington, there are no simple solutions. As I've said in another thread about Remington, perhaps they should shelf the gun production right now, concentrate on ammo production, and restructure the gun manufacturing side of things? Anyhow, it is sad news.
 
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