OneFreeTexan
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Got a whole handful of Remington Nylon’s. ...luv’em....Also like my R51 a lot.....a very good gun.....no problems at all!!
Remington Arms layoffs
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Too bad Remington never contracted with German company Walther for certain products, which is exactly what S&W did with their M&P .22 handguns.
Just bought two bricks of Rem. Golden Bullet .22.. This always has a perfect function in both the M&P and the new Ruger Mark IV Standard. Maybe this partially offsets the losses a bit.
That's a real shame about staff losing jobs.
Just bought two bricks of Rem. Golden Bullet .22.. This always has a perfect function in both the M&P and the new Ruger Mark IV Standard. Maybe this partially offsets the losses a bit.
That's a real shame about staff losing jobs.
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Lol, one thing about this thread made me do is start checking out the Remington R51. And you know what, It sure does interest me. I like the looks for sure. Yea, it had some birth problems, but maybe that is a good thing. Made the company work harder to get it right. At this point I would love to shoot one. I have learned over the years to take many post like these on this thread with a grain of salt. Recently saw the same kind of bashing when the 365 first came out and all kinds of derogatory comments about the company, the president and on and on. And yet the gun is enjoying great success. Actually it is comical in one sense.
Something tells me, the R51 might just be a fine little gun. However, maybe not. I have learned that the internet is not the best way to learn about a gun. Nothing actually beats going out and shooting the gun yourself. Shoot one, then bash it, or praise it.
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I've owned Remington rifles from the 80's on. My latest is a 700 Stainless VS SPS from 2011. I can't complain about the quality, as good as any I've owned since the 80's. I wasn't wild about the Xmark trigger that wouldn't adjust lower than 4 lbs or the SPS stock. But my newest 700 was a decent shooter right out of the box.
Savage? I've owned 2, a 10fp in .223 and a model 12 VSS in .22-250. The 10fp couldn't be relied on to reliably feed the next round. Very accurate but you couldn't depend on it feeding the next round. The 12VSS was just inaccurate and I gave up on it and sold it after 3 months. I'll take a Remington over Savage any day.
More than anything else I hope Remington survives as well as all American firearms manufacturers.
Savage? I've owned 2, a 10fp in .223 and a model 12 VSS in .22-250. The 10fp couldn't be relied on to reliably feed the next round. Very accurate but you couldn't depend on it feeding the next round. The 12VSS was just inaccurate and I gave up on it and sold it after 3 months. I'll take a Remington over Savage any day.
More than anything else I hope Remington survives as well as all American firearms manufacturers.
OneFreeTexan
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Jen,,, try a R51 if you get a chance,,, I got mine because I liked the looks of it and got heck of a deal on it from Bud’s... I’ve never cared for a gun with a grip safety, but this one is just fine,,,The R51 is one of my most fun guns to shoot....
Doubt that, reading an article from the now closed Dicks thread.. Looks like S&W also lost a boat load of money and they are staying relevant.. Firearms industry is in the crapper period.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/...n=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection
It's a perfect storm for an industry that has weathered many changes over the many years. I like Remington and I hate to see jobs lost. I hope they can weather the storm and shine again.
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A few years ago when they bought Marlin, the quality went way down . They may have lost a lot of customers?
I hear the Marlins today (remlins) are a lot better now.
Zendude
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I like Remington, but I’m not sure if their debt load is too high to ever realistically break even. Same with a lot of companies unfortunately. Not to stray from the High Road but the global economy is not a level playing field and without that, you really don’t have a true free market system.
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I never meant to bash Remington. I own several Remington rifles and shotguns and I think they are the cats pajamas. That being said, they're all made before 1968 with an emphasis on 1949 with the rifles.
My terse posting, was merely a commentary on the quality that we all know has fallen in so many places in our economy.
The take over of Marlin, which took an amazing quality gun and circled the toilet with it, was a travesty. I know that manufacturing is expensive and the old ways aren't that economical, but there is no substitute for quality.
My terse posting, was merely a commentary on the quality that we all know has fallen in so many places in our economy.
The take over of Marlin, which took an amazing quality gun and circled the toilet with it, was a travesty. I know that manufacturing is expensive and the old ways aren't that economical, but there is no substitute for quality.
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I worked with a fellow who was at the Remington plant in Huntsville, AL. He worked on the AR line of the plant. This man could not explain the different between a 450 Bushmaster and 5.56 NATO. Quality of firearms is influenced by employees who know their trade (pre Remington Marlins) vs those just there for a paycheck. His primary reason for staying at the plant was the discount he got on firearms, which he sold on Armslist for a nice profit.
I had a Remington 870 Express. And I will not own another Remington firearm unless it is something older like a Wing master or a 700 from earlier years.. Ammo, maybe.
I had a Remington 870 Express. And I will not own another Remington firearm unless it is something older like a Wing master or a 700 from earlier years.. Ammo, maybe.
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Same here. My grandfather was a true sportsman; hunter, trapper, and fisherman who only owned three firearms. All were Remingtons and all were semi-auto. I have inherited his shotgun and .22 rifle. My dad still has his .30-06. The two fireararms I have were made in the 1930s or 1940's and were the "economy" versions. The quality is so much higher than what you see in "premium" rifles and shotguns today.
But yes, Remington is a shell of it's former self. And it's sad. Tragically, most American companies these days are bowing to the golden calf of profits before quality or integrity.
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Grip safeties have been around for awhile. I understand several people have carried, shot and even liked the Colt 1911 and S&W used a grip safety in their 1887 Safety Hammerless. I've even been known to carry my modern early 1950s S&W "Lemon Squeezer" Centennial.
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Remington went through a bankruptcy a year ago. She emerged in just two months and shed most of her debt and more importantly any connections to Cerberus/ Freedom-Group. I suspect Remington is trying to remain as debt free as possible in this tough firearms market. Also 200 people is less than 10% of her total work force.
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I understand why someone would stick around even if not a gun person. Some state and cities have poor economy and jobs are hard to find. Manufacturing jobs around here aren't that great and I know many people who just work there to be able to eat dinner and pay bills.
As far as Remington ammo goes-I just had to comment on this one. lol.
I have never had good luck with Remington ammo in any fashion. misfires, inaccurate, etc. I was competing for top gun of the police academy back in October/November and was getting my rear end handed to me and also an ear full on accuracy from the instructors because my M&P9 doesn't like Remington ammo. I told them several times order some Winchester or Federal and it would change. Another cadet with an M&P had more issues than not. Double feeds, stove pipes and a lot of misfires. Both our groups looked like buckshot on man targets at 20ft. Each week we would do competitions of anything from run 75ft, draw and shoot 4 targets with 2 rounds in each, reload and 2 rounds in each as fast as we could at about 30-40ft. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. They finally got ticked at the Remington ammo and went with all Winchester and I beat 15 cadets in that drill for both speed and accuracy. Next drill was 2 rounds to the chest and 1 round to the head on multiple targets after a 75ft sprint at 40ft and they made us use the Remington to get ride of it. I couldn't hit the head so asked for a retry with Winchester and also won that match. The final match was a steel tree with 8 6'' gongs at 50ft and the person with the most on their side lost. I used Remington for the first match and had the guy been a good shooter I would have lost. When the better shooters arrived I switched to Winchester and if I remember correctly I only missed the gong maybe 5-6 times that day out of 4-5 boxes of ammo. Each person was to have 3 12rd magazines and we had something like 30 seconds to race each other I walked away with the top gun award for the academy because I switched ammo. The instructor told me I was full of it and tried my gun with Remington and said yeah, that's crap ammo! .
I tried Remington Turkey ammo in a few flavors and could never get patterns I was happy with. Switched to Federal before the long beards came out and patterns tightened. I went from just peppering the 1x1 stake that held the paper to blowing it clean in half. Now Winchester 38 ammo and rifle ammo I am not a fan of and the same with federal. Accuracy isn't all that great for the higher price. Ive noticed if a company makes guns, clothes and ammo usually 1 of the 3 is complete crap. Hornady or CCI for me.
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Marlin quality tanked long before Remington bought the company.
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There were many news stories at the time of the exit talking about how JPMorgan and Franklin Advisors have taken ownership of Remington in exchange for forgiving more than $775 million of debt. Cerberus is not involved with Remington in anyway as far as I can tell.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...bankruptcy-in-tough-gun-climate-idUSKCN1II24T
That is ok because we can get wonderful lever-action rifles made by B.C. Miroku and sold under Browning, or Winchester banner. Think of it as buying Subaru, Honda.....instead of Jeep. Now if B.C. Miroku went out of business it would be a real loss.
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IDK, my Marlin model 60 outshoots my Ruger 10/22 every time with NO jams or misfeeds - even with the cheap Remington promo stuff
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I was talking with a local gunsmith who worked in a custom Marlin shop and his comment was when they changed their serial nomenclature to having an alphabet character for the year at the start, that if one stays 'F' and up the quality was quite a bit better than 'A-G'.
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Hopefully, Remington didn't jump from the frying pan in to the fire so to speak. I was never really excited about Cerberus however, the owners were supposedly gun enthusiasts and hunters. Don't get me wrong I would rather our gun companies be privately held, and hopefully someone comes along to resurrect Remington Arms who is a proponent of firearm manufacturing and freedoms.
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