Yes. The reality is also that most cases of non-cops who engage in unsuccessful self defense shooting involves people with little or no formal training. What's your point? I promise you that no one who has been involved in a self defense shooting, successful or otherwise, wished afterwards that they had had less good training.
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Old Dog
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And you are able to document this particular statistic, or did you just pull it out of thin air?
Anyway, yeah, and the reality is that most of us who carry fire extinguishers in our vehicles will never have occasion to use one to put out a car fire.
At the end of the day, that's just the type of rationalization folks use to convince themselves they don't need to get any training.
If you could see the future and knew you were going to one day have a lethal force encounter, would you (a) get some training to increase your chances of survival or (b) pass on the training because your position is that it's not necessary to have training to survive a lethal force encounter?
Terry Vincent
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Old Dog makes the perfect analysis. We do not have the crystal ball to tell us of an upcoming life threatening event. That's why we wear seat belts and carry fire extinguishers and carry handguns. Unlike seat belts and extinguishers, handgun proficiency requires minimal familiarization and a mindset focused on survival.
We don't wear a seat belt with the intent of looking for an automobile accident and we don't carry concealed handguns looking for a deadly force scenario. Rather, we employ both as safe guards for survival so it is only common sense we drive carefully and train to a level that mitigates our demise.
We don't wear a seat belt with the intent of looking for an automobile accident and we don't carry concealed handguns looking for a deadly force scenario. Rather, we employ both as safe guards for survival so it is only common sense we drive carefully and train to a level that mitigates our demise.
Kevin Rohrer
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No kidding. I have never seen an OP Troll his own topic.
I don't recall any advertising that Gunsite or Thunder Ranch ever used to "sell fear", but would like to see evidence to the contrary.
Am also wondering which of these schools he complains about that he has first-hand knowledge of.
Kevin Rohrer
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I see that since the OP's outbursts on the 8th, he has declined to defend his position and has retreated back into his cave.
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HANDLOADER
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So one simply can not run 100 yard sprints until point of failure draw your side arm and engage your target repeating until proficient, then change up drills keeping the stress there. Self training is where it is at. That $30 dollar book can and will alter your life , mindset, and health.
HANDLOADER
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I have heard the priority argument my whole life, if you want to do something you will just have to change your life to do it. Well fiddle sticks I say guns are hobbies, try telling your bank you can't make the next 2 months worth of mortgage payments because your going to train at gunsite. Not happening, the average gun owner cannot afford this so why advocate something only a small percentage can afford to do when self training is available and is affordable at all levels and one can obtain the same skill set.
Well go do your hobby then. Nobody is making you go to school. But would you tell a woman whose husband is deployed and is home alone with two creeps prowling outside her house that that gun of hers is just a hobby? Or maybe you think that's "fear mongering." I don't think you'd suggest to a police officer or sheriff's deputy that the gun on his belt is a hobby-thing, but what about the security guard who only got 4 hours training for his state guard card? Tell him not to worry about it, it's just a hobby thing? What about the guard whose trying to move up from mall security to land a job as an executive protection agent with Pinkerton? Tell him to forget about putting those three classes at Gunsite on his resume, because employers don't want to know about his hobby? What about the writer and video blogger for a gun magazine and channel? Tell him his sucky skills don't matter because nobody can actually see him shoot in a magazine article and he can just edit the video or that his readers/subscribers won't care because they know it's just a hobby? What about the guy who is thinking about himself and four others on the volunteer church security team that they could really benefit from some better skills and training? Tell him to forget about it, because it's just a hobby and if they sat down with a book they could get everything they need? Or the what about the guy who got his NRA certification so he can teach CCW classes in his state, but who wants to bring more value to his side-business doing firearms training? Are the instructor development classes at Gunsite also just a hobby thing?
Nobody suggested that, nor is it necessary. Why do you insist on using one of the most expensive training options available to attempt to make your flawed points?
If the average gun owner can afford more than one gun, or beer, or TV, or restaurant meals, or a new car, or etc. then he/she can afford training. If he thinks training isn't important enough to give up those non essential items, then he doesn't have to get it but he/you should stop trying to convince themselves or others that it's about not being able to afford it. Just based on what you have posted on this forum, it's a fair bet that you own at least ten different firearms. That means that you most certainly can afford training, you just don't want to.
HANDLOADER
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Guess what its just part of the risk. Can't handle it don't sign up for army, police, security, fast food manager, whatever.
Nice bait, but no flame for trolls. Do you carry regularly or just during hobby time? If you do carry, how about telling us something about what your self-training has taught you? What gun or different guns do you carry? What ammo, magazines, and accessories do they have? Lasers? Holsters? Sights? Weapon light? The reason I ask is because the book you promoted appears to be equipment-focused: "How to choose and use the best sights, lights, lasers, and ammunition," "Information on the latest equipment options" etc. Tell us about your equipment choices based on the skills pulled from this book.
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EDC Hobby carry
1911 45 acp
Mags Chip Mc shooting star 8 rounds on in gun and the additional one so 2 to 4 depending on what i do
Ammo Speer 185 HP local law enforcement carries these
Holster and mag pouch local maker special its a copy of milt sparks summer special
Light not weapon mounted its a streamlight stylus 100 lum I also have a 1000 lum tap ten by same mfg for night time outings rides nice in pocket.
I have a farm that I am able to self train on but what I do can be done on range. The drills in book are my goals and exercise makes the stress possible.
What I have learned is tunnel vision exist but making your eyes focus is possible just takes practice. Clothing makes all the difference in your draw and planning for the worse is critical. Plan to be shot and on floor bleeding out having to shoot with one hand only. Shooting distance is at least two car lengths.
1911 45 acp
Mags Chip Mc shooting star 8 rounds on in gun and the additional one so 2 to 4 depending on what i do
Ammo Speer 185 HP local law enforcement carries these
Holster and mag pouch local maker special its a copy of milt sparks summer special
Light not weapon mounted its a streamlight stylus 100 lum I also have a 1000 lum tap ten by same mfg for night time outings rides nice in pocket.
I have a farm that I am able to self train on but what I do can be done on range. The drills in book are my goals and exercise makes the stress possible.
What I have learned is tunnel vision exist but making your eyes focus is possible just takes practice. Clothing makes all the difference in your draw and planning for the worse is critical. Plan to be shot and on floor bleeding out having to shoot with one hand only. Shooting distance is at least two car lengths.
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