huntsman
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I didn’t want a safety so I paid more for a Shield9 without, why compromise?
Personally I don’t buy into the fear of striker guns and AD.
Personally I don’t buy into the fear of striker guns and AD.
Gunny
I also have two striker fired pistols that have manual safeties: a Steyr M9 and a Ruger SR9c. I don't care for the location of the M9's safety with it being inside the trigger guard and requiring your trigger finger to push upward on it to disengage it. Too much going on there in close proximity to the trigger to make me feel comfortable using it.
The safety on the SR9c is in a good location; it's just that it's a little too far back on the frame. It's kind of small and hard to reach, especially if you have small hands like I do. Again I feel better off not using it than to try and get it to work while still maintaining my grip on the gun.
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Jeb Stuart
Couldn't quite make the reach to the safety without changing my grip. It was just a little too far back for me plus the size and shape of it wasn't all that conducive to easy access.
No matter, I just treat the SR9c like it didn't have the safety and use it accordingly.
How many shootings have you been in? All I will say is that you really don’t know what will happen until it does.I always get a chuckle out of the comments about not being able to turn off or remember to turn off the safety during a a self defense situation because of adrenaline and impaired motor skills... People can and have been able to draw, line up sights, and pull the trigger several times, reload, drop the slide, and repeat all under pressure, but for some reason, they just won't be able to swip off a safety...
Using thar logic, I guess carrying reloads are pointless too because reloading under pressure takes a lot more fine motor skills than turning off a safety... Seems like people hear stuff on the inet and regurgitate it.
I don't like safeties, but I'm not against them.
How many have you been in with a safety equipt handgun where you forget or was unable to swipe the safety off? The key is training. You don't have to be in dozens of firefights to know that it makes zero sense that someone can do several more complicated maneuvers like pull a gun out the holster, maybe get a sight picture, pull the trigger, press the mag release, grap another mag, put it in the gun, drop the slide, and get back on target, and repeat, but can't swip off a safety... Just isn't logical.How many shootings have you been in? All I will say is that you really don’t know what will happen until it does.
Myself, I am not against manual safeties on guns. I just don’t want one on my carry gun for the sake of simplicity.
Now there are guns that I want a manual safety on, like a 1911.
But like Jeb said. He trains with what he carries and that is what counts. Just because you own a gun doesn’t make you ready for a fight. Or if you owned a scalpel it won’t make you a surgeon.
You avoided my question, by asking the same question but adding the part about the safety. But I will answer your question. I have never been in a shooting with a handgun that had a manual safety.How many have you been in with a safety equipt handgun where you forget or was unable to swipe the safety off? The key is training. You don't have to be in dozens of firefights to know that it makes zero sense that someone can do several more complicated maneuvers like pull a gun out the holster, maybe get a sight picture, pull the trigger, press the mag release, grap another mag, put it in the gun, drop the slide, and get back on target, and repeat, but can't swip off a safety... Just isn't logical.
Here's a story for you. There was on several occasions were an officer went to draw there semiauto and shot themselves in the leg. You know what that means right? If the pistol had a safety, that likely would not have happened, so that proves my point that safeties are better... See, that's how anecdotal arguements work....You avoided my question, by asking the same question but adding the part about the safety. But I will answer your question. I have never been in a shooting with a handgun that had a manual safety.
Here is a story for you. Three police officers show up to a house for a domestic call one night. As the come up to the front door, it opens and a man points a gun and fires just missing one of the officers. All three officers draw and fired. The gun fight was over in less then 10 seconds.
When the investigation was over it had been discovered that only two of the officers had actually fired. The third officer said that she had fired her gun and truly believed she had fired. The bullets and cartridge cases at the scene were matched to two of the officers and the suspects guns. The officers the didn’t fire had forgotten to take the safety off before she started pulling the trigger.
But like I said, I have nothing against manual safeties, I just don’t want one on my carry gun for the sake of simplicity. If having a manual safety on a Striker Fire gun makes someone feel more confident then they should have a gun with one.
You avoided my question, by asking the same question but adding the part about the safety. But I will answer your question. I have never been in a shooting with a handgun that had a manual safety.
Here is a story for you. Three police officers show up to a house for a domestic call one night. As the come up to the front door, it opens and a man points a gun and fires just missing one of the officers. All three officers draw and fired. The gun fight was over in less then 10 seconds.
When the investigation was over it had been discovered that only two of the officers had actually fired. The third officer said that she had fired her gun and truly believed she had fired. The bullets and cartridge cases at the scene were matched to two of the officers and the suspects guns. The officers the didn’t fire had forgotten to take the safety off before she started pulling the trigger.
But like I said, I have nothing against manual safeties, I just don’t want one on my carry gun for the sake of simplicity. If having a manual safety on a Striker Fire gun makes someone feel more confident then they should have a gun with one.
My Shield is a 9mm version. It also has the side safety. I dont have a problem with it. It is non abtrusive and not easy to switch over. I dont know why I read so many negatives about this. Leave it on the off position and it will be fine.
I get it. A ccw it is best not to have this. But I think this is not a real issue but a percieved issue.
Any thoughts?
Ask and you shall receive. This "might" turn into one. My favorites are the 40s&w debates though.How about another 380 vs 9mm thread. I love those the best. I save up all my replies in a separate file and I can reuse them each week.
Now that wasn’t much of a story. The story I told, I know and worked with the three officers. The one that didn’t take the safety off was my Sargent at the time.Here's a story for you. There was on several occasions were an officer went to draw there semiauto and shot themselves in the leg. You know what that means right? If the pistol had a safety, that likely would not have happened, so that proves my point that safeties are better... See, that's how anecdotal arguements work....
The problem wasn't the safety as admittingly in your story, the other officers were able to successfully swip off the safety and end the fight. The problem is that the one particular officer didn't have the training or muscle memory to take the safety off.
I get it though. Your argument is that since you heard a story that someone somewhere didn't train enough to remember to swip off a safety, you don't have enough faith that you'll personally be able to if you're in the situation. You want simplicity because you believe you might personally fumble around and screw up. You are also apply your anecdotal fear and assumptions to everyone else who has a safety of their firearm. That's fine and that's the great thing about this country. We all have free will and options to carry what we feel comfortable with. Some people have confidence in carrying a 1911 or other pistols with safeties that they feel that they'll be able to swip the safety off. Others, like yourself, believe they might forget. To each there own.
There are many officers that don’t know much about guns and only do their required training once or twice a year. It’s a shame, but it’s the world that we live in.And then there is the question? How much training did she do? I know of two police officers right now, that cannot shoot worth a darn. I honestly do not know how they even qualify. One, the female told me she does not even use the allotted ammo offered to her on a discount for training and the other a male say's he hates shooting a firearm. Said the one part of his job he hated was having to qualify and was quite adamant about this.
And then there are very light striker fired firearms and others that have a longer, stronger pull. I do not know how Police agencies train or their requirements across the country.
All my carry guns now are all DAO. I prefer this, and if I was a LE, I would carry my own firearm if allowed. And a Da/Sa would not bother me without a safety as well.
Every person has to know the degree to which they train and their limitations.
But I would bet, the female in the scenario above did little training with the safety. Without proper diligent training, then I would say no safety would have been a better choice for her.
There is a certain DUTY for any officer or civilian to train diligently and often and be competent with their firearm. The two officers I mentioned above, that do not train often, are NOT doing their duty. To themselves, fellow police officers and to the community.
So far this month we've gotten a revolver vs semiauto and safety vs no safety thread. Now we need a caliber debate thread to finish the month off.
There are many officers that don’t know much about guns and only do their required training once or twice a year. It’s a shame, but it’s the world that we live in.
My department allows us 100 rounds of ammunition every time we go to the range to practice. We have just over 700 officers on my department and maybe 100 go to the range every month to practice.
But we’re getting off subject.
The fact is that many guns are offered with or without manual safeties. We also have the guns we like.
My friend’ Dad loves the Browning Hi-Power, but carries a M&P with a manual safety. Before getting the M&P he carried DA/SA handguns. I asked him why he didn’t carry his Hi-Power, to which he said it is just to heavy at the end of the day.
From readying your past post I know that we like different types of guns. I like service size guns and you like them smaller, and we both have more the a few of the ones we like. But we both know and agree that training is very important. No matter what type of gun you like, big, or small, with a manual safety, or not, training with what you carry is very important.