Coal Dragger
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Good luck finding the dot on presentation with it sitting all the way up there....
That looks nice, not really engineered for a red dot though, e.g. co-witnessing
Good luck finding the dot on presentation with it sitting all the way up there....
Yeah, the OP said top end but then set a $2000 price range, which is somewhat contradictory.I’m seeing a lot of suggestions. I don’t see a lot of top end stuff.
Luckily I tried this, before I read opinions on how it would work from people that never tried it!
Washington State is going to the dogs: after July 1 you can't buy a pistol on the FBI check alone and then use your WA Concealed Pistol License to walk out of the store with it. Local sheriff has got to do the vetting, including the FBI check, with a minimum of a 10 day wait until the sheriff gets the paperwork done, then you can take possession. Not the end of the world, but another brick out of the wall. Chit!
So I'm gonna be buying 1 more pistol before July 1. Question: what to buy?
Definitely agreedYeah, the OP said top end but then set a $2000 price range, which is somewhat contradictory.
But $2000 does buy a nice pistol.
You'd like to hear what folks think? Well, at least one of us think why in the he.... did you allow your state to be taken over by lunatics???? How about taking the money you're thinking of spending on a toy that your politicians will only take away from you at the rate you're allowing your state to fall apart, and using that money to support some politican who has the gonads to take back your state?
Spending more than that might get you better performance or cosmetics, but the performance or cosmetic improvements become much more incremental and the price becomes hugely more expensive.
At any rate thanks for the personal attack implying that I'm a peasant. I'd report you, but unlike many here I don't go crying to the mods every time someone insults me. I'm guessing you do, so go ahead and report me for something.
OK, what are your times with it from the holster to 1st shot on an IPSC target “A” zone at say 10 yards? What do your split times look like on something like a Bill Drill? Do you have a comparison of times on the same pistol with the iron sights?
Curious because most guys shooting red dots on pistols who are serious about it want the slide mounted red dot sight buried as deep in the slide as they can get it to make presentation from the holster and sight tracking easier.
OK, what are your times with it from the holster to 1st shot on an IPSC target “A” zone at say 10 yards? What do your split times look like on something like a Bill Drill? Do you have a comparison of times on the same pistol with the iron sights?....
Unless the guys shooting red dots on pistols are so serious that they've got frame-mounted red-dots, which generally sit quite a bit higher than slide-mounted dots. Open guns are generally the fastest of all handgun types, and are clearly not hindered by the high dot. There is nothing inherently easier (or harder) about finding or tracking the dot by height. Nothing. NOTHING. And the objective data from USPSA/IPSC shows it. This is very clear cut.
However, the further from the "usual" height of the sights you are "used" to, the more work it will take to build a good index (i.e., draw gun/throw gun up coming from movement, see sights/dot approximately oriented with target/aiming spot). When I picked up an open gun earlier this year, I did a couple hundred dry-fire draws to get used to stopping the gun just an inch lower in the presentation.* I've shot several matches since then and have yet to experience the dot-hunting problem with the exception of a weak-hand-only string in the first match. Of course, I suck at WHO shooting, so I often go sight-hunting with my iron-sighted guns left-handed!
If someone's intention is to be able to switch back and forth between a dotless and dotted gun that is otherwise very similar - say, someone who is shooting both Carry Optics and Production divisions in a single weekend of a USPSA match - then getting the two guns to index as similarly as possible may matter. Otherwise - height of dot has nothing to do with speed. Slide-riding dots that are lower in the slide may have other advantages for something like concealability, though.
*And that's all a high-mounted red-dot means - you stop the vertical element of the draw just a touch lower. In other words, the gun gets to the firing position about an inch earlier than with a low-mounted dot or iron sights. Theoretically, this should ultimately slightly favor a high-mounted dot, but there's likely no actual advantage.
I use that 210A for NRA Bullseye.
Because I'm not limited by co-witnessing, it is also fun for shooting steel targets at longer range, holding over, without being obscured.
You're not going to be able to put a red dot on a 210 and co-witness anyway, unless you butcher the slide. I can swap my sights back, on my unmodified slide, via one pin and one screw.
If I wanted to play in IPSC Open, I'd go with a double stack 2011.
Comparing a compensated open division race gun with a frame mounted non reciprocating full size red dot sight to any slide mounted miniature red dot sight is like comparing apples to dump trucks. I think you know that, and you’re being disingenuous. Other than using a red dot as an aiming device what does an open gun that barely moves under recoil, and has a sight setup that doesn’t move back in forth have in common with a slide mounted micro RDS? The answer is basically nothing from the user’s perspective.