Refinishing an original Navy Colt

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An acquaintance has offered to sell me a '51 Navy for a low price. It is in surprisingly good shape mechanically but the finish is truly awful. It is nothing that anyone would consider "patina" but rather the appearance of some combination of chemicals, sandpaper, and lord-knows-what-else.

I am almost sure that I will buy it. I may keep it as a shooter, but would honestly love to have a "like new" original Colt and am thinking about sending it to Turnbull or similar. I don't think I would be committing a capital offense in this situation, but would still like to hear opinions.
 
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Well it will be your gun to do with as you please. If it's current lack of finish is a deterrent to you enjoying it fully then by all means look into getting it refinished. When you do get it done please return to this forum to give us all the details of it's reclamation and of course, lots of photos too!
 
If it is rusting away, then you are preserving a piece of history.
Be careful to preserve as much of its markings as possible.
 
Judgment call for its owner. In the collectors world, nothing destroys value like an obvious refinish job. So if it's done in a way that can mimic what might be expected of "natural" wear, tear and age, that concern will be minimized. I do like the look of "honest" wear on those old timers, but many have been brutalized by previous owners in the past. If you get, it please post up some pics.
 
sand with emery paper until it is smooth. then bead blast all the out side parts until they are perfect. then study how to rust blue the parts and do it. you could make it better than new. it isnt rocket science. if the gun isnt connected to a famous person or event, then they dont have huge value. restore it carefully like new or better than new and then have fun with it shooting it. if you need help figuring out how to rust blue, message me and i will explain how to do a professional job, it isnt rocket science.
 
It's your call. Nothing is sacred to me so I'd have little hesitation in having such work done. I hope you are prepared for the sticker shock though. It's gonna be at least a couple thousand dollars for a proper restoration. To be honest, if I wanted a "like new Colt", I'd start with a modern replica that is not only much more affordable but made out of much better steels and is already "new". Have the markings removed and Turnbull do the finish work. You'll be into it for a fraction of the cost of a restoration. Or you could procure a 2nd or 3rd generation Colt and have the same work done, charcoal bluing the blued parts as the Royal Blue is not period correct.

Here's my Cimarron Open Top engraved by Michael Gouse and refinished by Turnbull in charcoal blue with fire blue screws and one-piece ivory.

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sand with emery paper until it is smooth. then bead blast all the out side parts until they are perfect. then study how to rust blue the parts and do it. you could make it better than new. it isnt rocket science. if the gun isnt connected to a famous person or event, then they dont have huge value. restore it carefully like new or better than new and then have fun with it shooting it. if you need help figuring out how to rust blue, message me and i will explain how to do a professional job, it isnt rocket science.
You're not gonna make it "better than new" by bead blasting it.
 
Thanks, all. I called the gentleman to arrange the sale and he told me he was going to auction it instead, as he had just gone online and saw "similar" guns going for five figures. Guess I saved a few grand on restoration fees, anyway...
 
the bead blasting does a nice matte finish, its very appealing in a deep dark rust blue to some. lasts a long time also.
 
craig c, that is the most beautiful open top ive ever seen. ive got two of them, one in 45 long colt and one in 38 special. they point like a finger and are fast to shoot. thanks for the picture.
 
He may be in for a rude awakening if he's expecting five figures.

I've never seen a gun like that go for four figures at auction! $750-$900 seems to be about maximum for badly refinished guns, though I occasionally see the same guns a few weeks later on "collector" sites for $1200-$1500.
 
He WILL NOT get 5 figures at auction (unless it is a KNOWN gun with provenance to a KNOWN famous person!) Low 4 figures if it is in great shape for a run of the mill 1851 Colt and with a serial number that puts its production before or during the Civil War. I paid $600 for my CW 1851 and it is in great but patinaed shape. Gun buyers go to auctions looking for BARGAINS and usually find them and they hate reserve prices. Look on GB at how many guns go unbid upon because the seller is starting at what they feel the gun is worth to them not allowing market forces to set the bids. I tried selling an almost perfect 1860 Spencer Rifle on Cowans Auctions with a reserve price and it just sat there so I decided to keep it.
 
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If you want an original Colt percussion with a decent amount of original finish yet is still somewhat affordable you might consider the 1849 Pocket.
 
Thanks, all. I called the gentleman to arrange the sale and he told me he was going to auction it instead, as he had just gone online and saw "similar" guns going for five figures. Guess I saved a few grand on restoration fees, anyway...

You may not know it but he probably did you a huge favor by not selling you that gun. When he doesn't get the large amount of cash he thinks he is going to get make him a new offer at a much lower price since you now know how much a restoration will cost. I like what CraigC did. What a sharp looking gun.
 
good advice. i also like the other advice here. i have a stainless steel uberti 45 long colt cattleman. when i got done tweeking it, it is a much better gun that a original 45 long colt i have had in the past from the 1970/s. even better workman ship.
 
He WILL NOT get 5 figures at auction..., . Gun buyers go to auctions looking for BARGAINS and usually find them and they hate reserve prices. Look on GB at how many guns go unbid upon because the seller is starting at what they feel the gun is worth to them not allowing market forces to set the bids.

Agreed!
Lord Save Us ..., from the sellers who do just enough research to confirm their high price, if they do any research at all.....;)

I can't tell you how many times some person has posted at auction a used black powder gun, starting at at $.01 but having a reserve price that's hidden and is too high, listing it again and again and again (hello if the auction keeps ending $200 below your reserve, maybe the reserve is too high). Then there's those that start their auction at the price they have convinced themselves is "fair", and it's already overpriced. A lot of them have asked around a tiny bit, and found the "going price" for what they want to sell is simply not what they can imagine, and go ahead and post it high.

I've seen used, some in good shape (but not factory fresh in the old box), and some in not so good shape Brown Bess repro muskets, Japanese or Italian type, priced at a few hundred dollars under the factory fresh new Italian repros. The new repro is currently in production, so has a warranty and available replacement parts....and the person at the auction is ignoring the fact that a new in box kit cost less than what they ask for their used Bess. So either they are stubborn, or they are trying to take advantage of somebody..., especially when the going rate for a musket in very good used condition is even less than the new kits, and non-Japanese/Non-Italian muskets sell for for about $200 less than that. :confused:

I've even seen folks post stuff that means either they are stupid OR..., they are swindlers.
For example, a military musket repro with a full stock (when the seller had it restocked the person doing the work didn't know much about it; they didn't leave room on the barrel for the socket bayonet...lol...o_O). Wanting every bit of top dollar for it, and when messaged there was a problem, they get IRATE, almost like the petulant child found with his hand in the cookie jar, so to speak.

Then there are the poor folks who I am pretty sure got taken at some local auction or on something like Craigslist. That "original" revolver, is actually a mediocre antiquing job on a modern reproduction, and it's not worthless, but it IS worth less than what the person paid for it. BUT they will post it very high, trying to recover their money. Hoping some other sap will fall for the same thing they did. :fire:

Or the "antique dealers" or "pawn shops" who write something like, "Don't know much about guns so I can't answer questions. Am told by the seller for whom I'm listing this that this is an original [fill in the blank] ". Makes me wonder how often that's an excuse to offer a rip-off price and claim ignorance as a defense if they get caught.:fire:

I actually encountered a guy a little more than 20 years ago who would buy repro revolvers at yard sales and such. Or once firing but now with a broken part or two from gun shows. Always for very little cash. He'd buff off off the modern markings and bury them at his local pond. He'd come back to the spot where he anchored them and they'd be all rusty and such. Sometimes he let them lay as long as two years in the sand and muck. (With all that corrosion, it was pretty much impossible for the lay person to spot the obvious signs of a repro.) Then he'd advertise them as recovered from the creek or river near [fill in the blank of a famous CW battle], as if it was dropped by some poor soldier or officer. His attitude was Caveat Emptor, and if he scammed a buyer, so what.... the internet and posting of photos pretty much ended that guy's racket....
:cuss:

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