mosin $200 prices are crashing in utah area?

My guns aren't used for paper target shooting, or anything beyond 25-50 yards.

But for longer ranges, Yes, any specific MN which one knows Is accurate would be desirable, and a "thumbhole" stock might be acceptable, if other options add much cost.

Don't forget that some "Soviet" ladies in WW2 racked up quite a number of kills with MNs.

Sidenote: You guys/any gals know about the Finnish M39s, supposedly the best ever manufactured ? Those originals, with limited or moderate wear might now cost $600 (+) on the retail market.

ah yes, mosin m-44,s. I load them down to winchester 30-30 speeds to avoid the big boom and flash and it makes them enjoyable to shoot and hunt with if you want too. top is a 1947 Russian 44 with all stamped matching numbers with a ex bore, middle is a 1952 polish 44 with all matching stamped numbers with a ex bore, bottom is a 1955 Chinese 44 with all stamped numbers with a very good bore.

It all comes down to supply and demand. They are not being shipped in any more, but there are plenty of them on the market.
There are plenty of sellers trying to get $300 plus for common rifles and they are not selling. With in the next few years you will see the prices coming down to reasonable amounts.
I still have a few Mosin carbines in my collection.

Ignition Override said:

My guns aren't used for paper target shooting, or anything beyond 25-50 yards.

But for longer ranges, Yes, any specific MN which one knows Is accurate would be desirable, and a "thumbhole" stock might be acceptable, if other options add much cost.

Don't forget that some "Soviet" ladies in WW2 racked up quite a number of kills with MNs.

Sidenote: You guys/any gals know about the Finnish M39s, supposedly the best ever manufactured ? Those originals, with limited or moderate wear might now cost $600 (+) on the retail market.

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Yes, they are an accurate rifle. I shoot a basic '43 M91-30 converted to WWII sniper configuration with a 1951 scope in Vintage Sniper competition to 600 yards. In decent conditions, a clean 100 on the 2 MOA 10 ring is quite doable, I usually get beaten by X count, a bad wind call, poor cheek position (the PU scope is very fussy in this respect) or something rattling loose on the mounting system, not the rifle ittself. This is with handloads tailored to the rifle mind you, but I do have a couple 91-30s that will hold the 10 ring at 100 on SR-1 with surplus ammo.

The Finnish models, especially the M28 and M28-30 are IMHO the best of the breed, but many of these suffer from poor maintenance from when they were cheap surplus rifles and lots of cheap corrosive ammo was available. Some came to this country with questionable bores. By contrast many of the M39s were near pristine, so they get the nod simply based on condition of the average rifle you will find "in the wild." These have been near unobtainable locally. MN has a large population of people of Finnish ancestry, and they are extra popular for this reason. At the last 3 gunshows I have attended, no Finn mosins were present at any price, I suspect if any were, the price would be very high.

Random 8: Interesting, and some of your info seemed unfamiliar.

I did annual recurrent tng. from '86 (NWA) in Mendota Heights until the merger around 2011. The Finnish factor in the Twin Cities seemed to be somewhat submerged (?) under the Norwegian/Swedish heritage.
At the only gun show in the immed. Memphis area, milsurp guns other than a few Garands or 1911s have 'disappeared', and now we might be lucky see a single SKS or Mosin Nagant, never mind a Finnish M39, not even a Makarov handgun or others chambered in 9x18 etc.

People in MN, even eastern ND might be selling their better Finnish MNs within their own family/social groups, instead of putting up with strangers making ludicrously low offers at gun shows or via Armslist?

GunnyUSMC: you have some of the coolest bolt-action guns ever designed: exotic, powerful, compact and so rugged. Gosh, struggling with that bolt safety spring reportedly has torn peoples' tendons!

Ignition Override said:

I did recurrent tng. from '86 (NWA) in Mendota Heights until the merger around 2011. The Finnish factor in the Twin Cities seems to normally be somewhat submerged (?) under the Norwegian/Swedish heritage.

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They are more prevalent on the Iron Range; Finlayson, Askov, Cherry, that area. And Kingston, MN, a 100% Finnish town (or at least used to be) in Central MN. Yes, there are more Swedes and Norwegians in the Twin Cities.

I need a m-38 with matching stamped number and a very good or better bore, so far I have not found one local. this finned 91, only bolt and receiver are finn matched with a mint bore. a good friend had it and gave me a very good price at the time I bought it, its a 1943(my birth year) finn marked.

lionking said:

lol yep, on gun broker right now 17 pages of Mosin for sale, one guy has two pages of listings himself with at least a $350.00 starting price PLUS they expect you to pay the shipping also and don't forget the transfer fee also.

I don't know why they the gun sellers think they are justified in pricing them that high, just because they are not coming over anymore but there are still loads for sale everywhere.

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Same reason people with 69 camaro’s are justified in pricing them at $20,000. It’s worth what someone will pay for it. You didn’t really think $89 was going to be their permanent value?

eastbank said:

I need a m-38 with matching stamped number and a very good or better bore, so far I have not found one local. this finned 91, only bolt and receiver are finn matched with a mint bore. a good friend had it and gave me a very good price at the time I bought it, its a 1943(my birth year) finn marked.

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Just curious, why do you need matching stamped numbers? Even advanced Mosin collectors don't bother with that, because they know that with the massive rearsenal programs postwar, such a thing is astronomically rare. (especially for an M38, which there are far fewer of to begin with) Indeed, most non-forced matched rifles in the US are combat bring backs (of which there are @ 0 M-38's of.) or were imported before 1968. (again probably few, most pre-1968 imports are SCW [Spanish Civil War] rifles, and the majority of those were sporterized by and for Sears, Wards, and other big box stores of the day.) With forced matching, the serial number from the barrel, which is the actual serial number as issued, if the barrel is original, is stamped or electropencilled on those part which were originally serial numbered. The receivers did NOT have a serial number, only the arsenal mark and date, and those on the underside of the tang.The other parts put on the rifle from different rifles have the original rifle's serial number lined out.
Collecting Mosins is different from collecting US military rifles, or Mausers, where virtually every part was serialized, and kept with the rifle.

some countries did elect P some parts, swede 38,s(late ones) had EP,ed parts. finns mostly had lined out numbers with new ones stamped on the bolt-barrel. I just like all matching numbers if I can get them and I will pay more for that. all matching number doesn,t mean the rifle was not rearsenaled, just that those parts were not changed(rifle was fine with only refinished wood-metal). my 44,s have matching stamped numbers on the barrel-bolt-magazine floor plate-butt plate. on some rifles with only a serial # on the receiver(like US rifles) stock stamps and parts stock numbers may be the only way to tell original from rearsenaled. a pre ww-2 garand in original condition may bring 3-4 times what a later rearsenaled m-1 will. their are some rifles so rare that a rebuilt one may be the only way to get one.

Good luck in your search!

someguy2800 said:

Same reason people with 69 camaro’s are justified in pricing them at $20,000. It’s worth what someone will pay for it. You didn’t really think $89 was going to be their permanent value?

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I don't expect ten year old pricing for today, just saying when a run of the mill Mosin 91/30 is $350 and more I'm no longer interested. Bring it down to $200 ish and I would get two or three more because I like them.

But when they are being listed for $300 and more on auction sites, then having to pay shipping and transfer fee also, I'd rather put that kind of money toward a nice Mauser or Enfield or Swiss rifle instead if buying surplus

lionking said:

I don't expect ten year old pricing for today, just saying when a run of the mill Mosin 91/30 is $350 and more I'm no longer interested. Bring it down to $200 ish and I would get two or three more because I like them.

But when they are being listed for $300 and more on auction sites, then having to pay shipping and transfer fee also, I'd rather put that kind of money toward a nice Mauser or Enfield or Swiss rifle instead if buying surplus

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Watch some of the more obscure auctions. I watched 2 nice ones go on Sat for $190 per my above post. https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-M...atching-serial-number/lotInformation/52258796

lionking said:

I don't expect ten year old pricing for today, just saying when a run of the mill Mosin 91/30 is $350 and more I'm no longer interested. Bring it down to $200 ish and I would get two or three more because I like them.

But when they are being listed for $300 and more on auction sites, then having to pay shipping and transfer fee also, I'd rather put that kind of money toward a nice Mauser or Enfield or Swiss rifle instead if buying surplus

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What you and I think something is worth has no bearing on what other people are willing to pay for them. I’d buy a luger if they were $400, but other people want them badly enough that they are worth $2000, so that’s a no thanks from me. I guarantee you Mosin’s are being listed at $300-$400 because that’s what people are paying for them. These things have a way of sorting themselves out.

Have you looked at prices of Enfield's or Mauser’s or K31’s? They aren’t getting any cheaper either and there aren’t any more coming into the country.

someguy2800 said:

What you and I think something is worth has no bearing on what other people are willing to pay for them. I’d buy a luger if they were $400, but other people want them badly enough that they are worth $2000, so that’s a no thanks from me. I guarantee you Mosin’s are being listed at $300-$400 because that’s what people are paying for them. These things have a way of sorting themselves out.

Have you looked at prices of Enfield's or Mauser’s or K31’s? They aren’t getting any cheaper either and there aren’t any more coming into the country.

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Classic Firearms has a batch of no4 Enfields for sale starting at $500. Their own description says “well used”.

In the early 80's to early 90's across the street from my office was a Roses Dept store .. They sold Milsurps... I have purchased Mosin Nagants from as little as $39.00
and as much a $60.00 ... even a few Model 39's @ the $60.00 mark .. The manger got to know me and allowed me to go to the store room and hand pick rifles ... at times I would have up to 40 to 50 Milsurp rifles .. From Enfields, Krags , Swedes , SKS's , and such .... I had to sell my collection due to sickness ... Most to one fellow ...
I have a couple of SKS's , No. 4 and 1917 Enfields left ... all are staying