Pennsylvania judge freezes state's 'ghost guns' policy
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AZAndy
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Trying to enact laws against manufacturing one's own firearm seems pointless to me. Is a serial number some sort of magical talisman that prevents crimes? Does Pennsylvania have a registry where they can just look up who owns that 1963 S&W Model 10 with serial number 803445? If so, I'm glad I don't live there.
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Josh Prince and FOAC (Firearns Owners Against Crime) have been pivotal in the fight against infringement in Pennsylvania.
https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/01/...-partially-manufactured-frames-and-receivers/
If you live in PA or want to fight the "domino effect" donate to FOAC. They are in the trenches fighting for us and can't do it without cash.
https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/01/...-partially-manufactured-frames-and-receivers/
If you live in PA or want to fight the "domino effect" donate to FOAC. They are in the trenches fighting for us and can't do it without cash.
JTHunter
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Do you, by any chance, have a link to that story? Is this the story?
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/09/24/ca-man-gets-five-year-sentence-trafficking-ghost-guns/
illinoisburt
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In theory the law prohibits having a database of all guns in the state. But the state police does keep a database of all handgun purchases. They argued in court and won on the grounds that their database is limited to only handguns so it doesn't violate the prohibition on an all-encompassing database. So I'd say if the gun was bought in the past decade or two, then yes they could probably look it up.
Pennsylvania is not alone. Michigan and New York require people have a pistol license and register handguns with the police within a few days of purchase. There may be others as well.
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Can't confiscate that which doesn't exist.
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That's was the point.
Have plumbing parts that could be used to make a slam fire shot gun, guilty.
Have a rectangle of sheet metal, it could be forged into a receiver, guilty.
Have a piece of 2x4 in your shed, it could be a grip or a forearm, guilty.
A chainsaw? Could be be an unfinished chainsaw bayonet. Guilty.
A nail, could be a firing pin waiting to happen. Guilty.
A strip of metal, it could readily be shaped into a shoulder thing that goes up, guilty.
BlueHeelerFl
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When I lived in PA I had assumed the state had a handgun registry Since all handgun transactions needed to be recorded on state police forms
748
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That's insane. So the criteria is assuming everyone has unlimited time and money any material can be considered an unfinished firearm.
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Even gas could be a firearm precursor, as at some point in whatever manufacturing processes that could be dreamed up you would needed to weld, heat up and bend or heat treat something.
FlSwampRat
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The problem with most firearm legislation is always the definitions. Hard enough to do with reality, a firearm that actually exists, but when you open the field to potential firearms, what might be able to be made into one, it really gets crazy.
Sort of crazy to think how three murders were the real basis (depending on whose version of events you're reading) of the GCA68.
They say the devil's in the details, I'd say that the devil's in the definitions.
Most gasses can't be solidified under conditions on Earth. But all liquids can. The dumbest example my buddy and I came up with was using liquid nitrogen and a mold, you could make a receiver out of cow ****. Wouldn't last very long, but still...so all cowshit should be registered in PA.
You're not wrong. He often lurks in the definitions.
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