Couldn't pass it up !

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I missed out on an unusal 1911 I was bidding on and the other itch I had to scratch was my want for a 4 5/8" .357 Ruger Old model Flat Top. I had a new model Ruger flat top a few years ago but traded it for a had to have Inland M1 some older gentleman had and he wanted my Ruger Flat top bad. Well this one does not have adjustable sights but does have the XR3 Red grip size and the smaller frame and is really cowboy. I can get used to the sights with practice. I never knew this pretty model existed. It is like new but being used was around $550 with cheap shipping and buy it now ! It also has the original black grips and this faux Ivorite which looks good. The case hardening is weak, but I thin I won't baby this one. Anybody ever see one before ?

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I'm with West Kentucky on this one. Not sure about that hammer.
OTOH I like those grips. Reminds me of well used Ivory or something.
Well done Gordon!
 
Well I just researched it . The gun was made no later than 2007 when Ruger discontinued the "case hardened" finish . The finish is of course just a chemical "wash" and covered with a clear to[ coat. If solvents or wear take off the top coat it may rust if not kept oiled. This one still looks good ! I presume the engine turned hammer and trigger were done by a gunsmith. The seller touts it's action as super smooth. . The early New Vaqueros kept the old Vaquero hammer and with the smaller frame look just like a real Colt SAA hammer sticking up like that. Thatalso was changed when they dropped the case hardened finish in 2009 . This one does have a free spin pawl in it. The cylinder has an "S" marking on it as does the box. The gun looks great , but I won't have it for a week. I like all the markings are under the barrel !!! This kind finishes off my Ruger collection . I think it's Purty ! I see Driftwood Johnson talks about this model on another forum a few years back. Kinda an interesting model. I did find an 1961 4 5/8 Flat Top .357 on GB for about the same price but is was an auction with 7 more days to go, and they usally go for $700+ in the condition it was in , which was good, but not reat. I think I'll like this one even more , I know I liked my Flat Top Commenrative pretty well, here is an old picture of it.
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Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Company, and others probably, sell a Case Color Lacquer that you can apply to the finish to arrest further deterioration and provide additional rust resistance.

I can't love the hammer, but that is a very cool pistol and the faux ivory grips look great. Congratulations!
 
Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Company, and others probably, sell a Case Color Lacquer that you can apply to the finish to arrest further deterioration and provide additional rust resistance.

I can't love the hammer, but that is a very cool pistol and the faux ivory grips look great. Congratulations!
Thanks I'll get some, I have lots of real case hardened stuff to protect ! I guess the gun has had an "action job" and jewelling the hammer and trigger and polishing the innards . Was'nt shot very much tho in the twelve years after. I kinda like those hard Rubber Factory grips !! I have an Old El Paso Saddlery 1920 Tom Three Persons Holster for it. I'll wear it
 
Good for you, Gordon. I have owned a couple New Vaqueros. Very nice revolvers.

If you decide you want to change the jeweled hammer you could install a Super Blackhawk hammer. The hammer spur will sit lower making it easier to cock if shooting one-handed. Or, you could probably find a replacement factory hammer pretty easily. Many folks that switch to an SBH hammer have factory hammers they may wish to part with.
One thing is for sure, that hammer does make the gun stand out a bit.

Those faux ivory grips look great but the factory black grips which are plastic, by the way, really do have a nice feel. I like that checkering pattern.

Enjoy your new toy. :thumbup:
 
Gordon

Like other's here I like the overall gun especially with those faux "aged" ivory grips but could do without the jeweled hammer. Just looks kind of cheesy and out of place on an otherwise nice looking Vaquero. Let us now how it goes whenever you get a chance to try it out!
 
If the gun is slick, and you get put off by the jeweled
Hammer you could likely polish the jewel long off leaving a nice super smooth edge on the visible parts and not bothering the friction or locking points. Would be a more traditional look and I think it would blend in really well, but then again the hammer is what sets this gun apart from many. It’s your gun though, my opinion is worth shat you paid for it...possibly less.
 
Howdy

That is not a stock New Vaquero. The jeweled hammer looks like the work of Jimmy Spurs, a well known Cowboy Action Gunsmith in New Hampshire. As far as I know he does that to the hammers of all the revolvers he slicks up. If the action is super slick I would bet even money he is the one who slicked it up. Jimmy usually put the free spin pawl in any Ruger revolvers that did not come with it stock.

The early New Vaqueros kept the old Vaquero hammer and with the smaller frame look just like a real Colt SAA hammer sticking up like that.

Have to disagree with you about that though. The early New Vaqueros did not have the 'original model' Vaquero hammer. Completely new design of the profile of the spur on the New Vaquero hammer. With the 'original' model, the gun could be sighted with the hammer down, the hammer spur did not block the view of the sights. Same with a standard Blackhawk. The idea behind the New Vaquero was to make it look more like a Colt than the larger, 'original model' Vaquero did. So in addition to the frame being smaller, the New Vaquero hammer had a taller spur, which blocked the sights when the hammer was down. Just like a Colt. It's a single action revolver anyway, what's the point of being able to see the sights before you cock the hammer.

When I got my pair of New Vaqueros I did lots of comparisons between them and the 'original model' Vaqueros.

This photo shows an 'original model' Vaquero at the top, and a New Vaquero at the bottom. The difference in the hammer spur profiles should be obvious. Later, a few different hammer styles were available with the New Vaquero, but this is the original style.

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This photo compares a New Vaquero to a Colt Single Action Army. This particular New Vaquero has the blued frame. (Notice the Colt is identified by the marking on the barrel)

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A comparison of the view of the rear sights. The Colt on the left is a 2nd Gen. This generation featured a square bottomed rear sight, not the V groove rear sight of a 1st Gen Colt. The New Vaquero rear sight is similar, but a little bit wider.

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If you think those sights are difficult to see, try shooting a 1st Gen Colt sometime.

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I never understood the complaint so many had about the 'bible' that was stamped on the side of Ruger revolver barrels. People forget that Ruger lost a couple of very expensive lawsuits back in the 1970s before they started installing transfer bars in all their revolvers. I don't fault Ruger for being a little bit cautious to avoid further lawsuits. All the 'bible' said was to read the manual. Anyway, when I bought my first pair of New Vaqueros was right on the cusp of when they were transitioning to putting the 'bible' on the underside of the barrel. One of them is marked on the side of the barrel, one on the underside. My notes say this photo was taken in 2006.

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This is the marking on the side of the barrel of an 'original model' Vaquero that was made in 1994. It never bothered me.

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Regarding the faux colors on the frame rusting: That was the reason Ruger stopped using that treatment and went to a blued frame. There were a lot of complaints about the faux colors causing rust. It may or may not happen. This is a photo of my first pair of New Vaqueros, both chambered for 357 Mag. You can see the 'bible' on the side of the barrel of one. I have had these guys since around 2006 or so and they have not rusted yet. And I do not oil them very often.

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P.S. Another new feature when the New Vaquero came out was a shorter cylinder pin. It did not stick out as far from the frame as the pin on the older models. With the older models, the cylinder pin could not be completely removed from the gun unless the ejector housing, ejector spring, and ejector were removed. I always thought Ruger felt this was a good idea to prevent a pin from accidentally falling out of the gun. With the New Vaquero, if the pin was loose, or the retaining latch did not have a good grip, heavy recoil could make the pin jump forward. If one were not paying attention the pin could even jump out onto the ground. Just like with a Colt. Don't ask me how I know this.
 
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Thanks and yes the moving large innards seem to be polished and owner says action was "tuned" . Now if I just knew the truth about the "S" stamp on rear of Cylinder and on the box label! I think I will put those "Hard Rubber " factory grips back on ! I like them.
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Rear sight widened and front sight "diamond cut"
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I wonder if the cylinder is blackened stainless. A drop of cold blue on the bare metal of the S stamp would tell.

The first Vaquero I ever handled, I thought the grip across behind the trigger guard was uncomfortable because of squared off edges and no blend between grip and grip frame. Are current production New Vaquero and Flattops better?

I prefer the hard rubber grips. When I got into CAS, I got a good trade on a European automatic for a Colt .44 Special. As things really got going, I bought a .44-40 cylinder for it to match my Winchester. No more good deals on Colts, I bought a Cimarron/ASM .44-40. I had the authentic V rear sight squared to match the 3rd generation Colt and replaced the Italian walnut grip with hard rubber.
 
Howdy Again

I just checked Jimmy Spurs website, and I'm positive now that the New Vaquero in question was done by him. He charges $299 for his standard action job of a New Vaquero.

You can check out his website here:

https://www.cowboygunworks.com/work.html

Notice he says he will jewel the hammer and trigger and diamond cut the front sight at no extra charge.

Regarding the S on the rear of the cylinder, mine has it too. I don't know what the S stands for, but the cylinder is not blackened Stainless, it is blued steel.

Clearly my 357 New Vaqueros and the one in question are from the same era. There is a serial number search feature on the Ruger website. I just looked mine up and it shipped in 2006, about what I thought. I can't quite make out the SN on the New Vaquero in question, but you can look it up yourself on the Ruger website.

I bought my pair for Mrs Johnson when she started shooting CAS with me. She does not go to matches anymore, but I'm not going to sell her guns.

About the rust on the faux case hardening. I just pulled my pair of 357 New Vaqueros out of the safe. I have not touched them in a while. On one, there was no rust, there was some light powdery rust on the other. It only took ten seconds or so to buff of the rust with some bronze wool and it looks good as new, but perhaps lacquering over the faux colors would be a good idea after all.

Or call Brownells for some bronze wool.
 
Howdy Again

I just checked Jimmy Spurs website, and I'm positive now that the New Vaquero in question was done by him. He charges $299 for his standard action job of a New Vaquero.

You can check out his website here:

https://www.cowboygunworks.com/work.html

Notice he says he will jewel the hammer and trigger and diamond cut the front sight at no extra charge.

Regarding the S on the rear of the cylinder, mine has it too. I don't know what the S stands for, but the cylinder is not blackened Stainless, it is blued steel.

Clearly my 357 New Vaqueros and the one in question are from the same era. There is a serial number search feature on the Ruger website. I just looked mine up and it shipped in 2006, about what I thought. I can't quite make out the SN on the New Vaquero in question, but you can look it up yourself on the Ruger website.

I bought my pair for Mrs Johnson when she started shooting CAS with me. She does not go to matches anymore, but I'm not going to sell her guns.

About the rust on the faux case hardening. I just pulled my pair of 357 New Vaqueros out of the safe. I have not touched them in a while. On one, there was no rust, there was some light powdery rust on the other. It only took ten seconds or so to buff of the rust with some bronze wool and it looks good as new, but perhaps lacquering over the faux colors would be a good idea after all.

Or call Brownells for some bronze wool.

Great detective work!

On the case color lacquer, I have an old H&R/NEF reciever from when they were using chemical wash to produce case coloring. It was somewhat deteriorated when I got it several years ago, with light surface rust like you describe above. I lacquered it, as I do with all my genuine bone case hardened firearms, and it has stabilized the color and I have had no rust since. So, it may well be worth it.
 
... It is like new but being used was around $550 with cheap shipping and buy it now ! ...
Niiiiiiice! I will now hate you for a brief moment ... OK, I'm over it. ;)

If I had stumbled across that online listing, I might have hurt myself in my rush to quickly grab that pup. :)

Thanks for the great pics and commentary. Next best thing ...
 
Well I was miffed I missed an Austin Behlert Custom 1911 "pin Gun" I really wanted in a bidding war. So like I said I was looking at early 60s Old Model Flat Top 4 5/8" .357 guns to replace the 50th year one I traded 7 years ago for an M1 Inland Carbine . I really wasn't looking for a newer Ruger, the engine turned hammer and "case hardened" frame caught my eye. The plus of it having $300 worth of extras discovered is of course a plus. :)
 
Beautiful pistol Gordon, I would have grabbed that one too. The hammer doesn't bother me at all, makes a special gun stand out even more.
 
About that hammer spur and sights, a few years ago Uberti had a target sighted Single Action and part of their advertising was that ".....you can see the sights with the hammer down..." or words to that effect.

I quizzed them about what advantage that might be, as why would anybody be trying to sight a sixshooter with the hammer down. Shortly there after they withdrew the ad.

Bob Wright
 
Hold it, hold it! You've got a New Vaquero with an XR3-RED grip frame?

Doesn't sound Wright to me!

Bob Wright
Probably NOT correct! I am not an expert on Rugers, just shot a lot of them since the 60s. My first Ruger was a 1965 Mk1 Target that my father used as an NRA Bullseye replacement for the not so reliable High Standard he bought after replacing his wornout Colt Target .22 . He had local Austin Behlert tune the Ruger and shot it into middle 70s when his eye sight failed.In 1977 I had an Uncle give me a relatively good condition flat top .44 Ruger Mag from the late 50s he used while hunting the Monterey area hogs. I used that good .44mag thru the 80s until really beat up and I sold it to a fellow hog hunter as I switched to a Magnaport full custom Ruger Bisley I had cut from 7.5" to 4 5/8 . . I always wanted the handy little 4 5/8 .357 Black Hawk and got the 50th Anniversary one about 2007 , but only shot it once in a local cowboy shoot and an old boy there traded me out of it for a cherry M1 USGI Carbine that he obtained locally in the late 1940s ! I ended up on the right end of that deal ! And he loved the New Model Flat Top and competed successfully locally with it for quite awhile until he got too old . I went to a 32-20 "Hartford Model" Cimmaron in the few times I competed SASS. When this virus stuff is past, I want to start going to the Merlin Oregon SASS competition, they have an outstanding range set up and lively competition. Meanwhile when it warms up I am gonna pack this Vaquero around Cave Junction and vicinity when I go to town . I have a CCP but the open carry insures not run ins with the local meth monsters. :( Right now I conceal a Para Ordinance P12 .45 ..
Just for the hell of it here are some of my Single actions, I don't have the 50th anniversary model any more.:
.32-20 top Colt New frontier convertible bottom
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Above .45 Ruger Bisley (since Converted to 5 shot .454) , the new model .357 flattop, Colt .44 Special New Frontier and a Colt .45 SAA 2nd Gen .


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Above Top Ruger old model .30 Carbine
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.17 HMR Single six Hunter Model. , I have a couple other Single sixes but no pictures. Also I have a nickel plated Uberti .45 SAA 4.3/4" and an Remington 1875 .45 Colt Clone I really like below
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and ALOT of Black powder single actions !
 
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