Rifles chambered in "Pipsqueak" handgun Ammo?

Low recoil significantly more potent/better bullets than a .22

Ive only watched a couple shooting a .380 hipoint, but it was visibly less snappy, and quieter than my 9mm version.

For a blow back gun, i actually like the idea. The 9mm blowback carbines Ive shot, while not uncomfortable in the slightest, come back more energetically than ...well I expected anyway.


I dont know if its of any use besides pests, small game, or better than nothing home defense. But from a shooting stand point it offer a ballistic advantage over a .22 or .22mag without being much more offensive to shoot.

I've got a Ruger 10/22 converted to 22 short that has accounted for multiple varmints here on the farm. Actually, it has dispatched more anmals than my hi powered. Big bore hunting guns.

With barrel chamber designed for the 22 short I find I get increasable accuracy, and I suspect, increased velocity. The number of one shot kills is in the 90% range.
When I've dropped coons in the barn, the bullets have not penetrated the body.
So I'm going to say, no, it's all about accuracy.

whm1974 said:

I I just found out the Hi-Point Firearms has one of their rifles available in .380 ACP... And it is strange that its magazine isn't changeable with their .380 pistol...
https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/hi-point-carbines/hi-point-380acp-carbine.php

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Theoretically, a gun like that could be useful for home defense for a person on the frail side that feels uncomfortable with blowback action felt recoil from a 9mm pistol caliber carbine.

Personally, I'd rather have a .22 WMR autoloading carbine over a .380 ACP carbine.
https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/rifles/cmr30/

Twice the price, higher capacity, and lighter. But, not available to all due to some states firearms laws.

I know there have been double rifles chambered in .455 Webley used to take deer in urban parks or gardens.

.455_Hunter said:

I know there have been double rifles chambered in .455 Webley used to take deer in urban parks or gardens.

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That would be awesome. Almost wouldn't need a suppressor on that.

My bucket list pipsqueak is the original VZ/CZ-61 Skorpion in .32 ACP (technically an SBR due to the stock, so suitable for Rifle Country.) I'd even take one in semi if it had all the original Czech army features.

chicharrones said:

Theoretically, a gun like that could be useful for home defense for a person on the frail side that feels uncomfortable with blowback action felt recoil from a 9mm pistol caliber carbine.

Personally, I'd rather have a .22 WMR autoloading carbine over a .380 ACP carbine.
https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/rifles/cmr30/

Twice the price, higher capacity, and lighter. But, not available to all due to some states firearms laws.

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maybe so, but based on second hand info those 22 WMRs tend to be picky to load and somewhat less than perfectly reliable.

Merle1 said:

maybe so, but based on second hand info those 22 WMRs tend to be picky to load and somewhat less than perfectly reliable.

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True. From what I've seen in my shootin' buddy's PMR30 pistol, load the mag to only 25 rounds and use only jacketed ammo that's been proven in the gun. Copper washed .22 WMR like Winchester Dynapoint has been a no-go in many autoloaders and even some bolt guns, in my experience.

I think the 380 carbine was for sales to places where civilians aren't allowed military cartridges.
IIRC, Taurus did the same with their carbine.

Schlegel said:

I think the 380 carbine was for sales to places where civilians aren't allowed military cartridges.
IIRC, Taurus did the same with their carbine.

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This. Apparently the 380 was pretty much made for the Mexico market where 380 is very popular and one of the biggest rounds you can get

.455_Hunter said:

I know there have been double rifles chambered in .455 Webley used to take deer in urban parks or gardens.

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mcb said:

That would be awesome. Almost wouldn't need a suppressor on that.

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There is a whole subcategory of British "Rook" and "Park" rifles. These are fascinating little rifles - some made to the very best standards of the trade - meant for hunting in populated areas. Here is a good example:



It is a five-and-a-half pound single shot in .255 Jeffery, made by Purdey. Perhaps not quite as nice as a Hi-Point, but still a gun I would love to have!

mcb said:

That would be awesome. Almost wouldn't need a suppressor on that.

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Try something like a 32-20 or a 25-20 loaded with Trailboss. It's completely silenced, yet with a significantly bigger bullet than a .22. You miss a rabbit or a squirrel by overshooting them, and they don't even know they were shot at.

.38 Special said:

There is a whole subcategory of British "Rook" and "Park" rifles. These are fascinating little rifles - some made to the very best standards of the trade - meant for hunting in populated areas. Here is a good example:

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It is a five-and-a-half pound single shot in .255 Jeffery, made by Purdey. Perhaps not quite as nice as a Hi-Point, but still a gun I would love to have!

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You do have a way with words--not as nice as a highpoint? Highpoints hold more cartridges, therefore they're better. Anybody buys that line, and I'll swap them a case of highpoints for one of those little rook rifles.

40-82 said:

Highpoints hold more cartridges, therefore they're better.

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Exactly my point! And .380 ammunition is much easier to find. I cannot recall the last time I saw a box of .255 Jeffery at the Walmart!

There are some of us who would be thrilled to have a pipsqueak rifle in 25, 32, or 380. I’m very interested in a 32 long carbine for dispatching critters. More effective than .22 and a lot more reliable ignition. I don’t even care if it’s a single shot. Gimme that .255 rook rifle!!!

There is a pretty big disparity between a 22lr and a 380 acp. Like say for shooting steel targets or defense.

WestKentucky said:

There are some of us who would be thrilled to have a pipsqueak rifle in 25, 32, or 380. I’m very interested in a 32 long carbine for dispatching critters. More effective than .22 and a lot more reliable ignition. I don’t even care if it’s a single shot. Gimme that .255 rook rifle!!!

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Sadly, the British rifles tend to go for many thousands of dollars. I personally would very much like to have one in percussion. Around forty caliber, five pounds, Damascus barrel...and still many thousands of dollars.

Maybe I should just get a Henry single shot in .38 Special.

WestKentucky said:

There are some of us who would be thrilled to have a pipsqueak rifle in 25, 32, or 380. I’m very interested in a 32 long carbine for dispatching critters. More effective than .22 and a lot more reliable ignition. I don’t even care if it’s a single shot. Gimme that .255 rook rifle!!!

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I guess my reworked Martini Cadet would be in the same general category: 357 necked to 308 and loaded with Trailboss. Not as purty as a Purdey, but I like it.

I have used a fair number of CCI CB Longs, the .22 short bullet in a primed long rifle case. In longer barrels it is very quiet and with head shots on tree rats it is deadly. Supposedly runs between 710 to 740 fps actually faster in the 16 to 18 inch barrels than the 24 +

In Europe in the early and mid 1970's I shot 4mm Zimmershutze. yep room shooters, parlor guns. One of the guys in my barracks had a little revolver that may have been an RG like the crappy little RG10 that we shot in a barracks room using a one inch thick stack of old magazines or last years sears catalog as a back stop. Some one else had a Heritage/ single six sized SA I think was a H Schmidt we occasionally shot.

Neatest of all was a Pre WWII bolt action like a KKW with a K98 style stock and fittings that was absolutely silent in action. The rifled portion of the barrel went only halfway down the barrel and there were vents in the barrel to allow gasses to expand into cut outs in the stock. Once I discovered that, the owner got paranoid about NFA 34(US soldiers are held to US laws even over seas) and returned it to his girl friend's old man.

There was supposed to be a kit that allowed one to shoot single shot the 4mm ZS in a 1911a1 and I wanted one to improve unit training but never got one.

We did find that letting one of our "Bolos" (unqualified shooters ) shoot a bit with a Walther peep sighted Diana air rifle helped get him his Marksmanship Medal. I had several crew served weapons guys that were truly bad with their 1911a1 pistols, thus my desire for a 4mm ZS adaptor for the 1911a1

-kBob

Antihero said:

This. Apparently the 380 was pretty much made for the Mexico market where 380 is very popular and one of the biggest rounds you can get

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I highly doubt Hi-Point carbines of any caliber are being sold in Mexico. I believe you are thinking of the old story about 38 Super 1911s being sold because 45 acp was restricted. Hi-Point makes a 380acp carbine because it is lower recoil than 9mm and the type of people who buy Hi-Points aren't too concerned with ballistics tables.

380acp over a 9mm in a Hipoint carbine

I guess .. if a person was going to suppress ????

Or if someone has a mountain of 380acp ammo ???