Bermuda and big bluestem. There is a slight amount of clover in it.
I reminded myself of why I don't like magnums.
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I am so crazy I actually drilled a large cavity into my wood stock. Jan-Oct it is full of lead. During the season I throw a few extra shells and a book of matches in.
cdb1
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Reason I asked is because down here it’s round bales for cattle and square bales if for horses, or square bales for really good hay meant for sale. My family went to round bales in the mid 70’s, I felt bad for some hay haulers who lost a substantial portion of their yearly income when round bales became the norm.
It's the same here. Squares value went up because few people bale them. I'm selling to a local round up club and a few here and there to people who only need a few bales.
The "hay" that some people round bale shouldn't be fed to animals. This drives the value of good hay down because a lot of people don't know the difference.
cdb1
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True.
I grew up on a dairy. The quality of hay directly effected production and gave insight on what quality hay is.
The positive side of all that work is. My 430 yard range is open for shooting again.
That would make it mild. But this is a P17 Enfield that wouldn't be a great target rifle anyway.
I found a great deal on a .338 WM at the LGS I frequent. I didn't need it but the price was right.
I figured if I didn't like it or if the recoil was too much, I wouldn't lose much money if I sold it.
Surprisingly, considering the weight (9 lbs. w/scope), I really enjoy shooting it and even though recoil is a bit heavy, it is not punishing. So far, I've only tried 225 gr. bullets through it.
Due to the cost of ammo (I've spent more on ammo than the price of the gun), it will probably be the reason I start reloading.
I figured if I didn't like it or if the recoil was too much, I wouldn't lose much money if I sold it.
Surprisingly, considering the weight (9 lbs. w/scope), I really enjoy shooting it and even though recoil is a bit heavy, it is not punishing. So far, I've only tried 225 gr. bullets through it.
Due to the cost of ammo (I've spent more on ammo than the price of the gun), it will probably be the reason I start reloading.
I'm thinking it is age slowly creeping up on you. Lifting hay bales and than shooting an 8 pound rifle with magnum loads are best left for the young ones. If your anything like me your mind will be young but your body will remind you the following day to stop doing that kind of stupid stuff.
cdb1
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I know nothing about dairy, commercial cattle is what I know.
marksman13
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Yep. 300 Win Mag is pretty easy on the shoulder with a suppressor. Milder than a lightweight 308 unsuppressed.
Alaskan Ironworker
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We only get one cutting a year up here,(Unless you do wrapped round bales) but it only takes about 10 shots of 30-06 to make my shoulder sore. My dads been making a killing on square bales for years up here as not many people have the energy to deal with them. Hes been readily getting $15-$20 a bale for the last couple years, though we usually only get 2 or 3 thousand bales. This is turning into a hay thread lol.
troy fairweather
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Magnum hay lol.
Alaskan Ironworker
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But I thought you're not old until you slow down.
That looks like my childhood in Michigan. Just change it to rain clouds rolling in with hay on the ground.
I would love the midnight sun. But the dark in winter would get to me.
If that's what it takes to reload. Then it's a great rifle.
My enjoyable range guns top out at a 9 lb 308.
Muzzleloaders are in a separate class. They're just fun even when they're an inline that is loaded with Magnum loads.
shootstraight57
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I went to the range thursday and shot a 300 Win Mag. Shot the Weatherby from a bench and prone. Woke up friday with a headache!
I've always said most of the effects of recoil are really between the ears, tell some people it is a magnum and they convince themselves it is a hard kicker. A 7 mm Rem mag shoots the same bullet weights to the same speed at the muzzle as 30-06. Recoil is indistinguishable in equal weight rifles. The 7mm's advantage is that in the same bullet weights 7mm bullets are more aerodynamic than 30 caliber bullets and retain the speeds much better downrange. Yea it hits animals a little harder, especially at longer ranges, but it doesn't hit the shooter any harder.
Magnum is just a poorly defined word. I can tolerate up to about 30 ft lbs of recoil, but prefer to keep it closer to 20 ft lbs. You need to start looking at actual recoil, not words. There are plenty of non-magnum cartridges out there with recoil that exceed many with magnum on the headstamp.
Most 30 caliber magnums are going to be in the 28-32 ft lb range. About the same as 12 ga waterfowl, turkey, buckshot, and slug loads which no one complains about. I often see people suggest rounds like 338/06, 35 Whelen and 45-70 as non-magnum alternatives even though all of them exceed 300 magnum recoil levels. The hotter 45-70 loads exceed 375 magnum by a considerable amount. The 30-06 and 7mm mag are going to be in the 18-22 ft lb range depending on the exact load and rifle weight. Anymore I prefer something in the 15-18 ft lb range where a 308 or 7-08 falls. The 6.5 CM is in the 12-14 ft lb range.
All 3 of those will kill anything any of the above cartridges will kill. The difference in in effective range. My 308 will lose enough bullet speed after about 400 yards that it may not be effective. The 30-06 will add about another 100 yards to that. The 7mm and 30 caliber magnums another 200-300 yards.
When I came to the realization that 400 yards was already pushing the limits of my shooting skills I sold my 300 and 7mm magnums. Not that I couldn't handle the recoil, but because I figured that I didn't have the skills to take advantage of their capabilities.
Ole Joe Clark
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Birthdays have a lot to do with shooting, pistols, rifles, shotguns......... You name it. If it's not recoil, it's shaky hands, poor eyesight, loss of strength. It's a disgusting thought, but since I turned about 60 or so, it's been down hill. I am about to complete my 77th trip around the sun, and things hurt that used to never bother me. My .357 was my go to shooter at least once a week, with .38's and such just so mild. Now the .357 hurts my hands and ears, and the .38 is too loud. I am ashamed to admit it but the 9 mm is about all I can handle comfortably these days, and the .22 LR feels great.
Have a blessed Independence Day,
Leon
Have a blessed Independence Day,
Leon
I keep a "tamer" pad in my shooting gear...purchased when I was sighting-in customers guns...sometimes 10 at a range session in the fall.
Every person I know complains if they shoot a waterfowl it turkey load at clay pigeons.
An 06 uses 10 less grains on average than a 7 mag. That is a substantial amount of increased recoil and blast.
I've shot several 06s that you couldn't pay me to run a 5 shot string through. Others are mild.
I'm sure the 7 mag is the same. I've only shot light 7s though. So my experience is skewed.
Even though my shoulder was sore the next day. The recoil didn't seem bad in the moment.
It's amazing how many people who owned magnum rifles paid me to sight-in their rifles. I hated them for it. Sometimes I used not only my "Kick-EZE pad, but sandbags behind the rifle as well. (I didn't want to develop a flinch.)
I shot someone's 7 RUM. I missed by a foot. I was surprised the recoil was so light. I shot again and hit the same spot. He shot it and hit the bottle we were shooting at. One of our friends shot it and hit the same spot I did.
That taught me to not sight guns in for people.
EIB0879
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It's funny that my 12 gauge slug gun is easy to shoot off of the bench but my .300 Wby just beats me.
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