Now .36 Caliber itch is satisfied

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Well looky what I just won on Gunbroker ! Half the price of what I had to pay for a T/C .32 rifle last year ! Also it is a "side slapper" which is kinda Unique ! Made in Italy, I don't know by who yet, has excellent sights and a reasonable 25" barrel I like a lot ! Nice wood ! I have 3 or 4 .36 BP pistols and I hope the .375 round balls will work I cast . This just may be my favorite plinking muzzle loader yet, I KNOW I won't be going away from my .50 HUNTING rifles, which are all ready for the up coming season.
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Oh MY GOODNESS ! Looks like it's a Pedersoli !
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Gorden, I have 36 T/C rifle I shoot .350 balls. Are you going to shoot it without patches? I checked mine with .375 balls looks like you could grease them up and start them without a patch. I have some Richmond Lab heeled bullets I think they could be started with a plastic hammer. 36cal rifles are a blast to shoot. enjoy!
 
What you have is an old Navy Arms Country Boy Mule ear. They made them in .32, 45 and .50 also. Nice guns, and usually accurate. I think you will find the .375 ball to big to get down the bore. .350 is the normal size for .36 caliber rifles.
 
You're very lucky Gordon.
I have that model in .45 & .50.
The .50 was my first and still is my favorite gun.
The ignition is super strong and fast.
The sights were the only problem with mine because it barely had enough front site height to use the rear notch.
The head of the elevation screw was too thick and obstructed the front sight somewhat.
As a matter of fact, your's has a different front sight that looks like a replacement, since mine has a blade and is not a bead type.

The gun's powder chamber is fairly narrow, and I usually clean it out through the nipple hole.
Not sure but it may be about .25" in diameter or so.
 
Great score, the 36 is a much better small game getter, from squirrel to even fox, and doesn't build up and require swabbing between shots like the 32 does.
 
Gorden, I have 36 T/C rifle I shoot .350 balls. Are you going to shoot it without patches? I checked mine with .375 balls looks like you could grease them up and start them without a patch. I have some Richmond Lab heeled bullets I think they could be started with a plastic hammer. 36cal rifles are a blast to shoot. enjoy!
I have a bunch of .36 Caliber Oxyoke wads I use under .375 balls in my revolvers. I don't see why I can't seat a wad on the charge and use a ball starter to engrave a lubed ball over it and have it work. I have confired most of these models in .36 will take a .375 ball after starting with a reasonable push of ram rod after starting/ engraving rifling. I think that is actually a more accurate method than a .350 ball with a .015 patch . I don't like to cut patches around the muzzle. I do it but don't like it, generally. I tell you in a couple weeks. High fire dangers right now. I won't shoot unless it's on a public range in fire season
 
Ok even tho it was crazy hot yesterday I went to a wet land area that was deserted as far as I could see to shoot my ne .36 Mule ear short rifle. It is very petite and makes my Cherokee .32 seem rather chubby . I am using #10 Remington caps and they fit very tight I use the leather cushion against my thumb that acts as a safety for the hammer to seat them . The side pointing nipple if the cap was loose would fall rather easily, but I do have a .45 Underhammer and am aware of that problem ! I started with 30 grains of Goex FFFG and used a .350 ball I sprung for a box of and used .015" precut and lubed OxBow .36 patches to make things easy on my self to began messing with this gun. It has a very nice , strong delrin ram rod that takes my worm, ect. too . I lubed the gun with Balistol when I got it and everything seems fit. The front sight had been replaced with a pretty tall front sight and arrived driven over to the right a bit. The rear sight was a very fine micro adjustable sight that indeed looks like an Italian LPA design ! At 25 yards from a sand bag off a cooler dead center aim put the first two about 4" high and [retty well centered. I noticed the rear leaf was adjusted pretty much to center, explaining the front sight position. I backed off to 50 yards and found about 2" right and 2" high in 3 shots .
I decided to use my Moose milk and clean the bore after first five shots. It cleaned well , and easily. I corrected the sight a little left with a brass drift wanting to keep the micro screw driver sight adjustments centered where they are. I was rewarded wit a 2" 3 shot group that was 2" high at 50 yards . I moved the target to 100 yards and strapped on the chronograph at the muzzle. The load averaged 1515 Fps with 125 fps variance . The group was well centered about 3 or 4" with 2 close together and one 2" away. Too small to hunt deer with legally.,Coyotes would be in a hurt as would a human out to 200 yards I reckon :)
 
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I moved the target to 100 yards and strapped on the chronograph at the muzzle. The load averaged 1515 Fps with 125 fps variance . The group was well centered about 3 or 4" with 2 close together and one 2" away. Too small to hunt deer with legally.,Coyotes would be in a hurt as would a human out to 200 yards I reckon :)

Yahoo!...good for you!...you've got a good one!
 
I have a question about these small caliber rifles...can a longer conical bullet be used? Say like a 38-55 sized conical...i know the bore would be a custom build but if it was given a faster twist and a some tin added to make it just the lead a tad harder...would these be good conical shooters? Dont know much about these long guns as far as what works best with them
 
I have a question about these small caliber rifles...can a longer conical bullet be used? Say like a 38-55 sized conical...i know the bore would be a custom build but if it was given a faster twist and a some tin added to make it just the lead a tad harder...would these be good conical shooters? Dont know much about these long guns as far as what works best with them


What the TC manual does recommend is the .36 Maxi ball conical @ 128 grains with a max.load of 60 grains of powder, and a .350 ball with 50 grains of powder. --->>> https://www.scribd.com/document/321169256/Shooting-TC-Side-Lock-Black-Powder-Guns

MMP also makes a .36 sabot for use with .311 - .314 bullets weighing 70 -90 grains. --->>> https://mmpsabots.com/store/36-grey-sabot50-pcs/

I can't speculate about an experimental muzzle loader that's intended to shoot the larger .377 - .379 diameter BPCR bullets.
There's .38 caliber muzzle loaders but they're far and few between.
Not many states would allow its use for ML deer hunting, and it would take some luck to find someone who has actually built one.
 
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I don't know the current regulation but at one time the Alabama minimum caliber for a muzzle loading deer rifle was .40.
Probably because that was what Dixie was selling in large numbers.

My neighbor the gunsmith bought .40 barrel, lock, and hardware from Dixie. He made his own stock to the style of a half stock "Hawken" I showed him in a gunzine. He scaled directly off a photograph. He used a well aged cherry plank as a blank and finished it in a beeswax mix.

He shot a deer with it and the regular patched .395" ball. He later found that a 180 grain .38-40 bullet cast soft and dipped in bullet lube would load about as easily as a patched ball, set up into the rifling for good accuracy, and hit harder.
 
Most states' muzzleloader regs are .40 minimum for rifled bores, or .45 for smoothbore for big game, at least up here. You wouldn't happen to have a pic of that rifle, Jim? Sounds like one pretty rifle. I always wanted to do a cherry stock, ever since having a '59 Les Paul Jr. in cherry finish.
 
Sorry, I don't have a picture of the rifle. The builder is deceased, I helped his widow sell off his guns and tools but don't know who got the muzzleloader.
Possibly the most interesting part of the package was that magazine article's picture with dimensioning lines drawn on a drafting board.
 
Yes I have found data on loads for smaller bores that is interesting. #1 the T/C manual referenced has the starting load with a ball as 35 Grains of FFFG , mine was actually 32 . There velocity for 40 Grains and the .350" ball is 1700 FPS from a longer barrelled Seneca. My barrel is 25" so my velocities were pretty good . That load should keep a ball super sonic till 100 yards ! The Maximun T/C load with a ball is 60 grains of FFFG ! I won't be loading that ever, that is the charge I use behind a Maxiball in my .50 Lyman for hunting , well almost. T/C says the 60 grain charge is good for 2100 fps behind a ball in a Seneca .36 ! You can shoot a Maxi ball bullet with 50 grains at 1700 fps !
These velocities are not what I bought the smaller calibers for, tho the Cherokee .32 I have is fun to shoot with a 25 grain FFFG load at 1800 FPS. from it's 26" barrel. The next time out with the .36 I might try up to 50 grains, but I am a powder mizer when fooling around. Loading my 10 ga SxS with 100 grains of FFg freaks me out :)

Apparently this .36 has a 1 in 48" twist BUT the Cherokee .32 I own has a faster 1 in 32 twist ! T/C was thinking it was gonna be shot with Maxi balls mostly and apparaently from my reading a faster twist is used on the smaller bores generally, even balls require 1 in 48 in .36 for best accuracy.unless the barrel lengths get super long, over 40" .
 
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