To Crimp or Not To Crimp

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While reloading 308 rounds last night I discovered my Lee Factory Crimp Die is not crimping. I evidently don't have it set far enough down. That means the last 2 test batches I've shot for my 308 were not crimped when my intent was to give them a light crimp per the instructions. They are for a semiautomatic, so my understanding was crimping was recommended. I am getting accuracy beyond my expectations. It's not outstanding, but with the proper load it is 1 MOA or less, which is much better than I had expected from this rifle.

All that said, should I go back and add the light crimp I intended to use, or leave well enough alone? Does crimping generally improve accuracy or will it degrade?

For reference this rifle shoots about 1.25 MOA with factory Federal 150 gr hunting ammo and a disappointing 2 MOA with factory Fiochi match. The load I'm using is 175 gr Sierra Match King with IMR 4046 and CCI #34 7.62 NATO primers. The Fiochi uses the same bullet. For the record I'm disappointed by the Fiochi ammo. I bought the rifle with an expectation of 2 MOA, so anything better is a bonus.

Let your calipers be your guide first to see if you get setback during function testing. If there is set back a slight crimp may mitigate this. Over crimping kills accuracy as mentioned elsewhere. A custom sizing die/expander ball may be required to increase neck tension and maintain accuracy!

Google: "Reloading: How to increase neck tension and improve accuracy"?




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I also use a "light" crimp with any semi, tube fed lever, magnum pistol. I've had a 30-06 in a Garand push back into the case completely messing up that range day and a 44mag extend not allowing the gun to cycle, but I've never had that happen with bolt actions or 38sp revolvers. I also turn the die 1/2 to 3/4 a flat, 1 full flat for 30-30 and 45-70 and found brass length has to be uniform.
 
For my first tests I didn't trim the 223 brass bit I did for the 308. The 223 was a little shorter than the trim-to length already. The 308 was mostly under the max, but I ended up trimmed one in the batch so trimmed them all. I'm sure that makes a difference on how crimping responds.
 
I tried the last set of 308 and 223 to try to settle this. I crimped the 308 after resetting my doe. The 223 die was set basically as desired for a minimum amount of crimp already. The crimped 308 rounds grouped about the same as some Federal Gold Medal Match I decided to try for comparison purposes, which is to say poorly; 1.8" at 100 yards. Looks like I'll go back to accidentally not crimping.

Can bullet setback be checked with a dummy round? I don't want to load a live round at the house, and I won't be back at the range for a while.

The 223 in LC brass did considerably better than last time. I'm pretty sure the erratic groups with 223 are more shooter error than load variability. I did a bunch of dry firing practice before shooting this time. It seems to have played off.
 
I crimp my 30-06 M1 Garand ammo. I do trim the cases first and after loading I use a Lee crimping die. The finished results are so purty. And they just roll through the rifle so nice. I have crimped .223 ammo but I have a new RCBS 5.56 seating/crimping die and it is just a bit more forgiving with slightly different length cases. Equals fewer crushed shoulders. The crimp may not be as tight on some of the shorter cases but that's OK.
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I may make a couple of dummy rounds and see if the bullets get pushed around on the feed ramps. If the 223 can tighten up more without a crimp that would be great.
 
Just checked for bullet setback. I cleaned, sized, and decapped a 308 case from the batch that gave me trouble. Then I seated a bullet at the same OAL I use for regular rounds. I loaded it into a magazine and ran it through 2 times releasing the bolt from the bolt catch and one final time pulling and releasing from the charging handle. The seated bullet got longer by about 0.001" per cycle. 2.804" when loaded and 2.807 when done. Looks like I'll be loading these without crimping.

A dummy 223 round was treated the same and didn't move one way or the other as far as I could tell. 2.250 +/- 0.001 all 3 times. The differences appear to be in the way I measure it. I may try these without a crimp to see if they'll tighten up any.
 
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