Polymer 80 just got raided by the ATF in Nevada.

vintovka said:

Where are the frames made and what level of machinery/injection molding equipment was needed to produce these items? If made offshore, or if they can be made in a garage somewhere, any hope of control seems futile. If anything was learned by previous "banned" stuff, I'll bet thousands (if not tens of thousands) have already been produced and are already in US.

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Actually the frames are made in the US by Polymer 80.

bearcreek said:

Same reason they've ever bothered with them. To get a firearm without a paper trail. Now, obviously, if a person bought it online, with a credit card, they just defeated the whole purpose.....

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Not everyone buys or builds 80% frames/receivers to avoid a paper trail. Some people do it so that they can build a totally custom firearm.

One of the beauties of the 80% P80 frames is that you can send it out to any shop for a custom stipple job and not have to worry about if the shop has a FFL or not if the frame is sent out before any work is done on it. It is the same with 80% AR receivers, if still in the 80% (or less) stage, it can be sent to anyone to have custom engraving done. Both types would have to go to a FFL once any work is done on them such as drilling or milling anything.

I see a lot of people post online about how they build 80% firearms to avoid a paper trail. Guess what, they just defeated the purpose by posting online about building their 80% builds.

Rust, I never done that. I rather just buy a complete firearm and do a background check. But the people that are buying those that i know, They are not legally allowed to own firearms.

I build one AK from a home build receiver. By the time it was all said and done. It would have just been easier to buy one, and cheaper.

Robbins290 said:

Burner cards can be used. Paid for cash locally and bought stuff online.

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It can be done, but not many do it and very few have them shipped to a location with no connection to their name.

12Bravo20 said:

Not everyone buys or builds 80% frames/receivers to avoid a paper trail. Some people do it so that they can build a totally custom firearm.

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Certainly. Still doesn't change the original purpose of the product, much like people who collect pez dispensers or rare antique revolvers. I was specifically addressing D.B. Cooper's question about why people would continue to buy these even when it seems likely that they'll be outlawed soon. The answer is that they'll buy them specifically because they might be outlawed soon. Same reason there's a run on guns and ammo whenever an "anti gun" president gets elected.

12Bravo20 said:

I see a lot of people post online about how they build 80% firearms to avoid a paper trail. Guess what, they just defeated the purpose by posting online about building their 80% builds.

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Yup. Lot's of folks not thinking it through all the way.

just has to contain letters and numbers. not sure of the min amount of characters.

Edit, I can not find a source to what i said other then a requirement when i was going to order a Heirloom rifle from Henry.

And the serial number has to be a certain depth into the metal.

Robbins290 said:

just has to contain letters and numbers. not sure of the min amount of characters.

Edit, I can not find a source to what i said other then a requirement when i was going to order a Heirloom rifle from Henry.

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Firearms made by unlicensed persons, for their own personal use, do not require any markings under federal law (California does have a state statute requiring markings). Please refer to Question 11 on the BATF FAQ sheet: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0813-firearms-top-12-qaspdf/download

For other marking requirements, please refer to 27 CFR 478.92.

RickD427 said:

Firearms made by unlicensed persons, for their own personal use, do not require any markings under federal law (California does have a state statute requiring markings). Please refer to Question 11 on the BATF FAQ sheet: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0813-firearms-top-12-qaspdf/download

For other marking requirements, please refer to 27 CFR 478.92.

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That's why I wrote my edit. I knew they were not required, but if you were to want them there were requirements.

I bought one of the bare frames purely as an amusement because they offered it in a “compact long slide” version, which is essentially a 17/22 lower but with the 19/23 shorter grip frame. Total time to drill the holes, cut off the tabs and Dremel the spring channel was less than 20 minutes. Assembling the Glock parts kit and the rail guides into the frame probably took another 15, but I had never done it before. I popped a slide onto it and shot about 100 flawless rounds with no tuning or adjustment.

So yeah, mailing someone a kit is essentially mailing them a gun if they have even the most rudimentary of mechanical skills. Whether being able to have a handgun mailed to your door should be legal is another discussion, but given we all know it currently isn’t the point is moot. I have stated in a couple of other places that I’m surprised they haven’t gotten their hands slapped before now.