Kel Tec P50 5.7 x 28 With 50 Round Magazine

Looks to be difficult to put a stock / brace on it with the charging handle out back, not my cup of tea unless that gets resolved. But a folding braced pistol or stocked SBR would be sweet. Pretty cool that it's nearly a 10" barrel in that small package.

But leave it to Keltec, they've got more innovation in their pinky than most firearm manufacturers out there. If only they could get the refinement, manufacturing, quality, aesthetics, and in some cases ergonomics to a higher level.

Funny, i was pondering an imaginary pistol with a P90 mag about 30 minutes ago on my drive home, listening to Ian McCollum talk about 7.5 brno and mag length (thickness).

Pretty neat, but I bet heavy to hold like a pistol. Neither of my savage strykers are very fun to hold like a traditional pistol.

Kel-Tec makes some sweet designs for sure! LGS has a sub 2000 i was staring at while buying my 03A3

Wow, somebody at Kel Tec is a fan of old-school Battletech-



Seriously, though- I love this gun. Ive had zero interest in the 5.7 cartridge until now, but........

If they made one in .30 Carbine Id sell my left, uhhh, kidney to get one.

Kudos to Kel-Tec for their willingness to pursue such bold ideas!

I don't have a use for a KelTec semi-auto "submachine" gun, but . . .

NIGHTLORD40K said:

Wow, somebody at Kel Tec is a fan of old-school Battletech-
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Seriously, though- I love this gun. Ive had zero interest in the 5.7 cartridge until now, but........

If they made one in .30 Carbine Id sell my left, uhhh, kidney to get one.

Kudos to Kel-Tec for their willingness to pursue such bold ideas!

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I think the 5.7 is an interesting little round, but I have ZERO experience with it due to cost.

Mentioning videogame firearms, the infamous G21R glock revolver makes me think of the Boltok from Gears of War. I would buy one if glock made it just like the April fools G21R. Its so fugly its cool. Im not even a glock fan.

One of these days ill get a Kel-Tec something or other. Preferably an RFB.

Usually I’m not up for ugly firearms that are hard to reload, but this one, hold it.
A thousand dollars?! I thought this was a Keltec? Thousand freaking dollars...
In a screw-together clam shell maybe too?
The Five Seven is neat and all. I like it in fact, but.
Pfffshhhooo.
A Thousand? Kinda steep.
(Kicks dirt a little..)

Alright. I’m in. But some one else has to make the binary trigger and gelatin aliens to shoot!

I could see myself going two ways with a gun like this. Neither way would involve a brace.

#1. Just put a light and laser on it and have a two handed home defense room broom. No sights, just that light and laser, but both have to be able to be quick on/off devices.

#2. If this gun has any accuracy potential, stick a bipod underneath and stick a scope on top. Could be a "sniping" pistol for varmints or whatever.

BigBlue 94 said:

I think the 5.7 is an interesting little round, but I have ZERO experience with it due to cost.

Mentioning videogame firearms, the infamous G21R glock revolver makes me think of the Boltok from Gears of War. I would buy one if glock made it just like the April fools G21R. Its so fugly its cool. Im not even a glock fan.

One of these days ill get a Kel-Tec something or other. Preferably an RFB.

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I think the RFB bears more than a passing resemblance to the Halo DMR too-

By the way, having the magazine between the barrel and the trigger of the P50 sure is different.

Keltec does it again. Most other gun companies are working to optimize the last couple drops out of the Glock and AR-15, but they are making real blue-sky types of designs.

BreechFace said:

Looks to be difficult to put a stock / brace on it with the charging handle out back, not my cup of tea unless that gets resolved. But a folding braced pistol or stocked SBR would be sweet. Pretty cool that it's nearly a 10" barrel in that small package.

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Looking at the pic that @NIGHTLORD40K posted -

Under the charging handle, but above the action opening lever*, appears to be a round nub of some sort. I wonder if that is meant to mount a proprietary stock or brace?

Or maybe a proprietary brace could be mounted to the bottom of the pistol grip and resemble what a Neos Carbine looks like?

Edit to add: Or both that round nub and the bottom of the pistol grip would be used to make two mounting points? Can't wait to see what the truth may be.

*an assumption at this point.

Definitely interested. Might even tempt me to file for an SBR stamp. Would do well as a truck gun if that is your sort of thing. As long as it does acceptable I'm just happy to see some real out of the box thinking going on in the industry.

Slightly off topic, but a Sub-2000 in 5.7 makes more sense to me. Cool looking pistol, though.

Was thinking about this more and I keep coming up with a bunch of comparisons to the H&K MP5. How effective was the old push out against the sling to brace technique? How does recoil compare between 9mm and 5.7? I've looked into these as I've never found myself caring about either question. Looking at pictures it appears you have to unhinge the gun to reload, it would be nice if the magazine popped out the side. Definitely the most intrigued I've been about a modern gun in a long time.

ETA: With this and the Ruger 5.7 pistol both coming out recently did something change with copyrights or other legalities that other companies besides FN are playing with 5.7 now?

I usually like Kel Tec stuff for its innovation, but this thing does not meet my approval. It's great they took a magazine system that's already available in the P90 mags, which at $40 is downright cheap for what it is. It's nice that there's another 5.7x28 option out there, but that's where my praise ends.

I don't see this pistol being a success and I have doubts that it's going to have long term durability. How difficult is it going to be to clear a jam, which with that magazine in this new gun is bound to happen. What makes this more worth owning vs a 10 inch AR pistol w/ brace in a MUCH more common and less expensive caliber that I can run with a 40 rd Magpul mag? What, it's going to weigh a pound or two less? How about the Kel Tec SU16 rifles, specifically the B and C models; the B weighs 4.5 lbs stock and the C has the folding stock and ability to shoot it with the stock folded and both have a full 16 inch barrel. Both of those rifles will cost half or more than half what the P50 does once it's tricked out with a potentially legally questionable brace and optic and when the SU-16C works just like the P50 would with a folding brace, which, let's face it, that's what the P50 is built for, what makes this P50 worth it? Just the P90 mags and the 5.7 cartridge?

Sounds like a range toy for an operator to show off and make others jealous.

Further, the jury is still out on the 5.7x28 as a pistol cartridge. It hasn't exactly taken off and that may be due to lack of affordable guns not made by FN, so we're gonna find out in the next 5-10 years whether the 5.7 is a contender or pretender.

It will be real funny tho over the next few years when more and more manufacturers besides boutique makers, FN, and Federal make a 5.7 factory ammo and cite the "overwhelming demand" for 5.7 guns, all four of them, when they're digging in their heels on making .32 and .327 Magnum ammunition while .32 revolvers are flying off the shelves yet they say there's "no demand."

somethingbenign said:

ETA: With this and the Ruger 5.7 pistol both coming out recently did something change with copyrights or other legalities that other companies besides FN are playing with 5.7 now?

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When the AWB hit its sunset in 2004 that changed a lot in regards to new guns being made in the US, Ruger pretty much discontinued the P series in favor of the SR for a few reasons, one being the 10rd mag limit was removed. In addition to that all the states that became shall issue states in the late 90s and 00s created a huge market for small, light pistols, so everyone was making their own single stack .380 and 9mm.

The Recession and election of Obama started a panic and all companies put off introducing new designs for a bit, even halted production on entire models for years (that's why the .327 got off to such a slow start) to focus on more popular ones. Then Sandy Hook happened and it started the second, even bigger panic that lasted years, but helped create even more gun owners.

So, the change has really been that there's no more hot markets for certain guns because there's not vacuum to fill. The pistol braces and ATF ruling on those after Trump won in 2016 created a new vacuum and the P50 falls into that vacuum, but it's kind of following the Ruger 57 in that more companies in the US are thinking there's a market for 5.7 chambered guns.

IDK if there is. The whole aversion to it for years has been the 10 rd AWB restrictions, but also pricey guns. A grand for this is steep considering it's the same price as the FN57 is or close to it and that gun had been around since the year 2000. If the 5.7 was going to happen, I feel it would have by now.

That’s one way to look at it, I guess...

Let's see: you can't put a stock or brace on it (their own marketing makes that clear), it mimics an MG for loading, uses a complex mag and it has a stupidly high bore axis - I'll take none! It also appears to have the same flimsy cocking handle as the PMR-30.

The innovation is there but the refinement is sorely lacking. In the 80s they could have likely sold these by the truckload, but the AR-57 makes a better platform today (in SBR form) and it's more affordable to boot.

Demi-human said:

A thousand dollars?! I thought this was a Keltec? Thousand freaking dollars...

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KelTec RFB sells for about $1,600. It's not the same U.S. Dollar that it was back when Clinton was president.

Havok7416 said:

the AR-57 makes a better platform today (in SBR form) and it's more affordable to boot.

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Not sure if your price estimates applies to a complete AR-57 or just the upper. Either way, sadly, AR-57 was out of production for years and nobody picked it up. As a result, its prices climbed steadily on the used gun market. The only production AR firing 5.7 is CMMG Banshee, utilizing their famous delayed blowback system. It retails well north of $1,000. {Update: Banshee feeds from a version of Endomag, not P90 mags like AR-57.}

I know what I said above, but it would be just fine as a pure range toy, if you can afford it (and can find ammo).

If the actual retail price ends up being reasonable, I can see myself buying one as a range toy. Just having a pistol with a 50 round magazine would be unique.

As RedlegRick mentioned above, a version on the sub-2000 format would be interesting. Put the magazine under the barrel so it can fold with the mag. Might have to adjust the chamber area as the next round would be hanging out in space when folded. The bolt might be a bit lighter also. Maybe an SU16 style design fit better.

I have had good luck with Kel-tec products even though I see complaints online here and there. All but one have worked just fine out of the box. The PF9 I had to send back, but it worked after that (never liked that gun). My P32 is still a good pocket carry option.