Speaking of imaginary rifles.....

Id be happy with a 9mm bolt gun of any sort, preferably using a common pistol magazine.

.38 Super is going the way of the DoDo. 10mm is making a comeback though. I've always thought a semi-auto with a gas system disabling device making it a straight pull would be cool. And might as well go for the gusto with MP 5 magazines or similar.

A 9mm pump action would be fun too. I envision it built on a 410 shotgun frame, so fairly large (a model 12 would be cool but I’d take an 870 frame). You can get a bunch in a tube mag with truncated cone fmj. No real practical purpose, but it’s a big kid’s 22 pump and would make tin cans think twice about crossing your path.

BLACKHAWKNJ said:

..a carbine with interchangeable barrels chambered for 9MM/38 Super taking M1911 magazines. My preference would be a bolt action-easier to retrieve that brass, or some sort of bolt locking device.
The Savage/Stevens/Springfield "gill action" rifles allowed that.

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A Savage would be a good start, but I'm thinking 110 action

Why not make it a De Lisle- type bolt with a can on at least one of the calibers?

RIA .22tcm bolt rifle with barrel swap to 9mm.

LoonWulf said:

RIA .22tcm bolt rifle with barrel swap to 9mm.

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I can't get over there just a big 22lr action, and are just strong enuff for the tcm. I looked very hard at getting one, but just dislike the action.

NIGHTLORD40K said:

Id be happy with a 9mm bolt gun of any sort, preferably using a common pistol magazine.

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Couldn’t you take a Savage with a .223 bolt face and have a barrel chambered for 9mm Luger? Accepting a pistol mag would require some fabrication, but could be do-able

Nature Boy said:

Couldn’t you take a Savage with a .223 bolt face and have a barrel chambered for 9mm Luger? Accepting a pistol mag would require some fabrication, but could be do-able

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There was a gentlemen on one of the milsurp boards I used to frequent who made up an interrupted thread switch barrel Enfield N1m3 in .223 and 9mm. He was in one of the ungunfriendly nations, either Australia or NZ, can't remember which, and had to make the most of one registered action. That would be a pretty cool toy!

Could have a ruger american that uses the ar mags, and rebarrel it for 9mm and use the endo mags.

Nature Boy said:

Couldn’t you take a Savage with a .223 bolt face and have a barrel chambered for 9mm Luger? Accepting a pistol mag would require some fabrication, but could be do-able

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Basically just a plastic or aluminum body that snaps into place like some of the 9mm adapters for AR's.
Troy was already on it, and beat me to the punch. I still like the Savage idea, for ease of caliber change for a multi-caliber.

His when things get back to normal we see some more guns in " mini rounds" like 9mm to 45acp or 22tcm to 221 fb size. I'd like a small bolt gun in 5.7x28

Look around and you can pick up a Spanish Destroyer Carbine. I understand some small quantity was made in 9mm Luger, but the majority were produced in 9mm Bergmann (9mm Largo). A .38 Super will likely chamber and fire in one of these, but the higher pressure may be an issue.

I had one rebarreled to 9x19 a few years ago. The longer factory mags work ok, but I find a modified 9x19 1911 mag works best for the shorter cartridge.

I was wanting something to shoot subsonic / suppressed with that didn’t have he action noise of a semi auto.

Although if I were to do it again, I might have just bought a Ruger M77/357 and shot .38 Spl or subsonic .357 Mag. Probably a simpler approach.

Or you could always just get a T/C Contender with a 9mm barrel. No chasing brass with that either.

I've already got 2/3rds of wants on this list with just one barrel: an NEF Handirifle with an accessory barrel in .22 Hornet that I had Dick Nickel rebore and chamber for me to .38 Super. I named it the Nickel Super:



It also shoots 9x19 in a pinch (and quite accurately) by headspacing on the .223 extractor we used. And it has no problem at all shooting 9x23 Largo, which is good thing for me 'cause I have a bunch of that for my Astra M400s.

It's an ejector model so I can reload pretty fast without a magazine. The rear sight is a special Nodak Spud peep. So fun that shooters frequently start giggling by the third shot.

I want a winchester 1892 chambered in 9x19

troy fairweather said:

I can't get over there just a big 22lr action, and are just strong enuff for the tcm. I looked very hard at getting one, but just dislike the action.

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Its rear locking but I Think it would be ok for a 9mm conversion.

troy fairweather said:

Could have a ruger american that uses the ar mags, and rebarrel it for 9mm and use the endo mags.

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That's a good idea too! Getting it to feed might be easier with the rugers 3 lug than a regular two b cause thst third lug sticks down lower. I do kinda wonder if the bullet will make rhe long travel from mag to chamber reliably tho. Decent part of the way it will be loose.

Hmm, a bolt action with swap-able heads would make caliber conversion middling easy.
Or limiting to blowback calibers, so the bolt/spring combo would be tuned to the rounds.

Wait, now I'm wondering if using a separate bolt on a lever-delayed blowback action could be made to work (set the 'locking' lever in the carrier instead of the bolt itself, say). Trickiest part there is in dealing with the length of 'stroke' on the bolt/bolt carrier to accommodate the selected cartridge.

I would rather have Browning Hi-Power mags than 1911 in a carbine. Or a 33 rd glock mag.

Im pondering crafting a straight pull bolt gun based off an AR15. 6.5Grendel most likely. Then i saw they have been made already, and I figure I could do it better. We will see.

A 1921 style Thompson in 10mm with a 100 rd drum would be pretty cool too.

BLACKHAWKNJ said:

..a carbine with interchangeable barrels chambered for 9MM/38 Super taking M1911 magazines. My preference would be a bolt action-easier to retrieve that brass, or some sort of bolt locking device.
The Savage/Stevens/Springfield "gill action" rifles allowed that.

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A barrel swap on one of these would get you there, if you get the bolt figured out. Likely easier that reinventing the wheel as it already checks the bolt action rifle fed with 1911 mags, boxes.

https://www.troupsystems.com/product/enfield-45-acp-kit/

Imaginary rifles? I want two.

First is a Winchester 1892 chambered for the 45 ACP.

Next is a small bolt action built for the 30 Carbine.

Kevin

StrawHat said:

Next is a small bolt action built for the 30 Carbine

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The easy way would be a bolt action blackout loaded down to .30 carb performance.....

I wonder if you couldn't open the face on a 527 .22Hornet, or 77/22. Or If the .378 bolt face wouldn't hold a 30 carbine case....might go see if it will hold in my ar.

I've always wished there was a PC Carbine and / or an AR15 chambered in 44 Auto Mag - 45 Winchester Magnum - or 475 Wildey Magnum. Any of those would be very fun to shoot.

LoonWulf said:

The easy way would be a bolt action blackout loaded down to .30 carb performance

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Perhaps an FR-7 rechambered? That or one of the shorter-throw Mausers with a re-cut .308 barrel blank.

Or, a Number 4 Enfield .308 action done up "Jungle Carbine" style (the .30carbine barrel would not need nearly as much fettling up as .303 or .308, so the short stock would be less of an issue).

CapnMac said:

Perhaps an FR-7 rechambered? That or one of the shorter-throw Mausers with a re-cut .308 barrel blank.

Or, a Number 4 Enfield .308 action done up "Jungle Carbine" style (the .30carbine barrel would not need nearly as much fettling up as .303 or .308, so the short stock would be less of an issue).

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Getting the bolt to grab the casings would be hard..... I think.
I'm not real up on the modifications necessary to reduce the bold face diameter on a controlled round feed rifle.