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So the black panther (mountain lion) at Sarasota Jungle Gardens on display is a hoax?

Photo please.

Supposedly, there are reports of melanistic pumas from So. and Central America but none have ever been documented from North America. Unlike black leopards and jaguars, melanistic pumas are grey under the chin and along the chest and stomach.

http://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-truth-about-black-pumas-separating.html

Here is a photo of one taken in northern Costa Rica.

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Call sarasota jungle gardens they will verify the have it if it still alive and will have pictures of it if it has died since I was there about ten years ago.
 
Call sarasota jungle gardens they will verify the have it if it still alive and will have pictures of it if it has died since I was there about ten years ago.

Funny you should mention Sarasota Jungle Gardens. My grandfather started it, and my aunt still owns it, my cousin runs it. I’ve got a call in right now to see about the black “ puma” display. I do not remember that.
 
Photo please.

Supposedly, there are reports of melanistic pumas from So. and Central America but none have ever been documented from North America. Unlike black leopards and jaguars, melanistic pumas are grey under the chin and along the chest and stomach.

http://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-truth-about-black-pumas-separating.html

Here is a photo of one taken in northern Costa Rica.

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That is the exact one that’s never been verified that I mentioned above.
 
Call sarasota jungle gardens they will verify the have it if it still alive and will have pictures of it if it has died since I was there about ten years ago.

Alright call made, we owned a pair of leopards one spotted and the other melanistic. Never a black “puma”. The leopards have both died of old age and were not replaced. I knew about the leopards and had spent time with both. We also owned several smaller jungle cats but never a Mt Lion.

Sorry but your memory of a black puma at Sarasota Jungle Gardens is incorrect.
 
My mistaken it was a long time ago when I went there.
No worries, this is exactly why Mt Lion sightings and especially black Mt Lion sightings are so suspect. The memory plays tricks and sometimes we see what we want to see not what was really there.

And often when people describe seeing a Mt Lion in a region that isn’t verified to have a known population they report a half eaten critter in a tree or they swear they saw an all black Mt Lion.

The fact remains that Mt Lions are not documented to drag kills into trees and there has still never been a scientifically documented melanistic (black) Mt lion.

So you’d think that incidents of in tree feeding and black Mt Lions would have been documented in areas where Mt Lions are common, but neither have been.

Yet these are both common reports from areas where Mt Lions are either not there or are extremely rare? It just doesn’t add up.
 
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Photo please.

Supposedly, there are reports of melanistic pumas from So. and Central America but none have ever been documented from North America. Unlike black leopards and jaguars, melanistic pumas are grey under the chin and along the chest and stomach.

http://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-truth-about-black-pumas-separating.html

Here is a photo of one taken in northern Costa Rica.

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I've seen that photo offered as 'proof' before and I would contest it on at least a couple of points.

1. The photo is black and white and anyone familiar with photography (this pic would have been taken on film) knows the effects of contrast and exposure with black and whites.
2. The cat is possibly hanging in the SHADOW of the tree it is hung in. The same dark effect is seen under the brim of the hat of the person standing next to it. In any case...the sunlight in the pic can easily create a high contrast. There is much about this photo that is not convincing at all.
 
What's the probability of a black ML or solid white ? .


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Excellent! If you don't believe me just go into any Rural Barbershop and start the conversation. You'll get no less than a dozen responses that Black Panthers have been seen either by the person telling you or their 3rd cousin twice removed, years ago, yada...yada.

If you really want to spice things up.....bring up a Bigfoot. Same thing.

Simple logic tells us that IF there were a Black Mountain Lion (even just ONE) then that sucker sure must 'get around' because you can find stories and 'sightings' about it virtually anywhere you go in the USA, right?

The troubling thing about it to me is not what it says about the 'possibility' of their existence (its possible), it is what it says about PEOPLE and their willingness to dispense with logic and lack of evidence for the thrill of the thought.

Sorry if some find that offensive. But the truth isn't always convenient or comforting.
 
nd often when people describe seeing a Mt Lion in a region that isn’t verified to have a known population they report a half eaten critter in a tree or they swear they saw an all black Mt Lion.

The fact remains that Mt Lions are not documented to drag kills into trees and there has still never been a scientifically documented melanistic (black) Mt lion.

So you’d think that incidents of in tree feeding and black Mt Lions would have been documented in areas where Mt Lions are common, but neither have been.
I personally have seen a partially eaten young doe in a tree. It was not tied up or anything of the sort, just kinda up in the tree and jammed in at a position that it would not fall. How would that be rationalized then if the cats are not known to be tree eaters? Perhaps somebody creating a scene trying to fool other people? The situation I got into was disturbing and still somewhat haunts me when I get that feeling of being watched or stalked. Simply trying to rationalize... a hard hit roadkill deer that has been partially eaten by coyotes or some other predator/scavenger might have the appearance of a cat kill. A person who finds that could put it up in a tree to further lend credibility to the story, this making themself relevant in local news. It’s a stretch but seems plausible for a lonely backwoods person with a good dose of prankster in their blood. That would explain a few scenarios, but not the extent of which has been reported. People are just lying about a chunk of them is also a good possibility I suppose. Are there any North American animals known to eat in trees that would be strong enough to lift a yearling whitetail?
 
I personally have seen a partially eaten young doe in a tree. It was not tied up or anything of the sort, just kinda up in the tree and jammed in at a position that it would not fall. How would that be rationalized then if the cats are not known to be tree eaters? Perhaps somebody creating a scene trying to fool other people? The situation I got into was disturbing and still somewhat haunts me when I get that feeling of being watched or stalked. Simply trying to rationalize... a hard hit roadkill deer that has been partially eaten by coyotes or some other predator/scavenger might have the appearance of a cat kill. A person who finds that could put it up in a tree to further lend credibility to the story, this making themself relevant in local news. It’s a stretch but seems plausible for a lonely backwoods person with a good dose of prankster in their blood. That would explain a few scenarios, but not the extent of which has been reported. People are just lying about a chunk of them is also a good possibility I suppose. Are there any North American animals known to eat in trees that would be strong enough to lift a yearling whitetail?

Here is an excellent study on identifying a Mt Lions kill. It also talks about the difference between how a bear kills and caches its kill. In tree feeding seems to be more of an Asian/African big cat behavior than a North American big cat behavior. I’m not sure about Jaguars or if they are in tree feeders. I know for sure that leopards are and I think tigers do too.
 
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