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Biden to nominate horrible choice to be ATF director

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The Chipman nomination is DOA in the Senate. The question is, why did Biden bother to nominate him? The answer is that this, like the rest of the package announced yesterday, is a sop to the antigun activists. Biden knows that none of this is going anywhere, but proposing it means clearing the deck for the rest of his agenda. It's all a game of perceptions.
 
And I have no use for alcohol, but alot of others do. As a freedom loving American I wouldn't ban Budweiser just because I don't want one. After they ban the Budweiser they will come for my coffee. Then what? We as gun enthusiasts will either stand together or fall in pieces.

It would take a lot of “shots” of Budweiser to kill a man. It would take only one shot from a ghost gun to do it. I am one of those folks who learned to shoot at age 7. I have been a gun owner all life after leaving the Corps in 1969. As a responsible gun owner I do not object to reasonable regulations of fir areas. If we applied your rationale to individuals making bombs, it would not be reasonable to make manufacturing explosives that do not have legally required ID pellets in them. Personally, I prefer that if someone wants to make a bomber and set it off that the pellets be there, because then it can help get back to the perp.
 
It's one thing to go after Al Capone's machine guns. It's another thing entirely to go after the guns of 100 million or more Americans spread all over the country.
If your only point of reference to enforcement of federal firearms laws is Al Capone I'm amused.
Ruby Ridge and Waco are usually the first to be mentioned. But the DOJ had 14,200 prosecutions for violations of federal firearms law in fiscal year 2020 alone.

But go ahead, do what you want. Just be aware that a conviction alone isn't necessary to make you a prohibited person, simply being under indictment is. It may take years before you go to trial.... if you ever do. Meanwhile you'll be proudly proclaiming "My state outlawed federal gun laws!" :rofl:
 
@1942bull I don't think we are talking about explosives. There is no Constitutional Right to produce explosives.
The 2A says "Shall not be infringed". Maybe I missed the part about infringement being acceptable if it makes a few citizens feel better.
In case you haven't noticed this is an incremental game we are playing. First restrict machine gun ownership because who really needs one of those? Then restrict and register handguns. Why not? The shotgunners don't want a handgun. Pistol grips and flash hides on an AR? Nah who needs one of those.
Bumpstocks? Bullseye shooters don't want one. Ban those too.
See how it works?
Stand together or fall piece by piece.
 
It would take a lot of “shots” of Budweiser to kill a man. It would take only one shot from a ghost gun to do it.
What a ridiculous analogy.
1. Use either illegally, and you endanger the safety of others.
2. Both can be used safely and legally by far, far more people than the person who chooses to drive drunk or the criminal using a gun.
3. "One shot from a ghost gun" is different than one shot from any other gun in what way?
4. If the current ghost guns scare you then you'll be terrified to know that literally millions and millions of rifles and shotguns were legally manufactured without serial numbers prior to 1968. Apparently old ghosts don't count.


I am one of those folks who learned to shoot at age 7. I have been a gun owner all life after leaving the Corps in 1969. As a responsible gun owner I do not object to reasonable regulations of fir areas.
Well, I learned to shoot at age 5 and was given my first gun (Browning A5) at eleven when an uncle passed away. Bought my first pistol (Remington Model 51) at age 16 and a Ruger 10/22 a month later. But whether someone was shooting machine guns at age three, a veteran or a police officer has NOTHING to do with anything......the Second Amendment's protection is for all of us. And its not about duck hunting, so I could give a crap about all the responsible hunters who don't like scary guns like AK's or AR's.

As a responsible gun owner I'm responsible for MY actions, MY use, MY firearms. Being a responsible gun owner has absolutely nothing to do with the type of firearm I own or use. It means safe handling, safe storage and proper care and maintenance.

But sadly, you and too many others throw out your gun owner credentials and background as a means of bolstering your credibility before you proffer your support of "reasonable regulation of firearms"........which is horsehockey. What "reasonable regulation of firearms" really means......it means what the anti gunners want it to mean. Moms Demand Action, The Brady Campaign, etc ......switched their marketing from "ban guns" to "reasonable regulation" because its more palatable to the public, a public that is ignorant of their true mission. They failed miserably with that tactic, now seek to be "reasonable". While their aim is to ban guns outright, they hope that the populace is too stupid to remember their stance twenty years ago. Remember Handgun Control, Inc.? How about the National Coalition to Ban Handguns renamed in 1990 as the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence? All renamed, but same intent.

For the billionth time.....It isn't a gun problem, its a people problem. The problem people are criminals. Their illegal use of firearms is miniscule compared to those who use firearms lawfully. No matter what 1942bull, Moms Demand Action, Brady Campaign and Joe Biden put forth as "reasonable regulation of firearms".....the criminals and nutjobs will still obtain guns, still rob and murder, still violate the law. Theose "reasonable regulations" means nothing to a criminal because.....he's a criminal. Do you understand that?:scrutiny:



If we applied your rationale to individuals making bombs, it would not be reasonable to make manufacturing explosives that do not have legally required ID pellets in them. Personally, I prefer that if someone wants to make a bomber and set it off that the pellets be there, because then it can help get back to the perp.
Wow.
 
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One of the columnists in the NY Times just had a similar topic. He said they should stop calling it "gun control", because no one wants to be controlled. He asked readers to come up with other names for it because he realized that was a little too up front.

His thrust was they should do all they could to eliminate guns, but do it with stealth and treachery, and that was OK because their side was right.

I'm sure he feels god is on their side, too....
 
Sort of off thread but...

It would take a lot of “shots” of Budweiser to kill a man
Yes about 1 or two cans and car with Bubba driving home...

BTW no more 12 packs or cases, we all know the problem would be solved if boxes only had 10. (need low cap beers, limit 2oz per can......)

10142 killed last year by drunk drivers , but cell phones are probably worse.

The National Safety Council reports that cell phone use while driving leads to 1.6 million crashes each year. Nearly 390,000 injuries occur each year from accidents caused by texting while driving. 1 out of every 4 car accidents in the United States is caused by texting and driving

You never hear a word about "common sense" cell phone laws. (in most states texting while driving is illegal, yep that solved the problem, got to be the phones fault, ban phones)
They want to do away with the PCLAA because "you can't sue gun makers" (which is Bovine excrement)
Along that line of thought if I get run into by someone on their phone should I be able to sue the cell carrier, the phone maker, and the auto maker?
How about Facebook or Twitter or whatever else the phone was being used for if not texting?
(of course not, not their fault someone ran into me)

But somehow when a crime occurs with a gun it is the guns fault....
 
Yeah, they can't even keep guns out of the hands of Hunter Biden, who lied at least twice on his Form 4473.
Not only was he a user of illegal drugs, he also had a dishonorable discharge from the military.

Section 922(g)(6) of the GCA makes it unlawful for persons who have been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions to receive or possess firearms.

Do you think that he will be prosecuted under Mr. Acting Director Chipman's leadership?

Would you be if you had a similar record?
 
"We don't do politics." Glad we are. It's hard not to take notice of what's happening.
 
The same guy who said to buy a double barrel shotgun because an ar-15 is harder to aim and shoot and literally gave an illegal advice on the television that can land you in jail is now our president??? And he talks about gun control??? Huh??? I’m confused....o_Oo_Oo_O
 
Section 922(g)(6) of the GCA makes it unlawful for persons who have been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions to receive or possess firearms.
No fan of his, but this is not true. Hunter Biden received an administrative discharge under other than honorable conditions. NOT a punitive discharge. So long as he's no longer using illegal drugs, he is legal to buy firearms (now).

As far as the OP goes, I'm noticing that the handful of folks who, pre-election, were telling us we weren't going to have to worry about Biden and gun control efforts, are all MIA these days...
 
I truthfully doubt that there is a nominee in this world that would be confirmed in this ridiculous political climate. There are left or right, not much middle ground.
Good. Middle ground when it comes to rights means giving up half our rights nowadays it seems.
 
If he can keep guns out of the hands of criminals it would indeed be great. However, I think it is unlikely since most criminals get their guns “on the street.” Personally, the “good guy with a gun” mantra has proven over the decades that that NRA pushed it as a political tool. It’s gross exaggeration not supported by any evidence. @Usonia3 got a like from me because spoke his mind appropriately.
That's funny. Chipman had 25 years with ATF to do it......and didn't. Like all anti gun nitwits he thinks all guns are bad and the source of the problem. In fact people are the problem and the gun is their tool to commit violence. We don't blame Chevrolet for drunk drivers and don't sue Budweiser when a kid get run over...........we punish the lawbreaker.



One if the most blissfully ignorant if not laughably_____ comments I've ever read on THR. Where on earth is it determined or presumed that a "good guy with a gun" is in every home, every business, every school, every office park? o_O I mean really? A good guy with a gun (and uniform) usually arrives within 10-15 minutes after calling 911. Sure, everone but the bad guy is unarmed.

The question I'll ask you is this: when a bad guy with a gun walks into your office, home, school or church.....do you wish you or other "good guys" had a gun? Having a good guy with a gun gives you an option to resist. No good guy with a gun gives you little recourse but to run or hide.
I'm not so sure a good guy with a gun would actually help things during a mass shooting situation. One more guy with a gun, blasting away? High on adrenaline, thinking he's John Wayne, gonna finally put that pistol he's been packing for years to good use? Is our good guy shooting solids? Woops, sorry the round passed through the bad guy, and killed your wife, sir. Or is our good guy's heater loaded with a self defense round of some sort,? Woops, I'm sorry I missed the bad guy, ma'am, and destroyed your little boys arm.
Also, when the swat team crashes the party, anyone holding a gun is fair game.
 
I'm not so sure a good guy with a gun would actually help things during a mass shooting situation. One more guy with a gun, blasting away? High on adrenaline, thinking he's John Wayne, gonna finally put that pistol he's been packing for years to good use? Is our good guy shooting solids? Woops, sorry the round passed through the bad guy, and killed your wife, sir. Or is our good guy's heater loaded with a self defense round of some sort,? Woops, I'm sorry I missed the bad guy, ma'am, and destroyed your little boys arm.
Also, when the swat team crashes the party, anyone holding a gun is fair game.

Yes, so right. I did two tours in Nam with 3rd Marines. I did my share in the fight fight for Hue city. The NVA lost a division, about 9,000 men dead. The Marines lost 600 dead and 2200 wounded. It was a street-to-street and building-to-building fight. This is what learned. Nothing we trained for prepared us for that kind of fight. No matter how good you were in training the real thing dwarfed it in terms of physical and psychological pressure. All the fantasies you had about performance, all the suppositions you made about the experience were nullified when the bad guy who was ten feet away shot at you with an AK47. Getting shot at concentrates the mind. In doing so you learn this: getting shot at sucks; getting shot sucks much more; getting shot and killed — well I avoided that so no comment. But I did get shot at and I did get shot. So if any when bullets are flying my way I am going to use my pistol to extricate myself because I know what the chaos of close quarter combat is like, and it far more harrowing than people imagine. Stay safe.
 
It's hardly surprising. The ones actually making the decisions would have dug up and revivified Lavrenti Beria if they could have.

Anybody who's not expecting a full on assault on the 2nd Amendment (and the rest of the Bill of Rights) is clearly not paying attention.
 
I'm not so sure a good guy with a gun would actually help things during a mass shooting situation. One more guy with a gun, blasting away? High on adrenaline, thinking he's John Wayne, gonna finally put that pistol he's been packing for years to good use? Is our good guy shooting solids? Woops, sorry the round passed through the bad guy, and killed your wife, sir. Or is our good guy's heater loaded with a self defense round of some sort,? Woops, I'm sorry I missed the bad guy, ma'am, and destroyed your little boys arm.
Also, when the swat team crashes the party, anyone holding a gun is fair game.

But there have been good guys with guns that confronted mass shooters and stopped them.

During the one church shooting in TX A neighbor heard what was happening and grabbed his AR15 and shot the mass shooter, forcing the murderer to flee.

And a Principal at a high school in AK IIRC ran to his car to retrieve a handgun and forced the teenage shooter to surrender.

I'm sure there are others
 
I'm not so sure a good guy with a gun would actually help things during a mass shooting situation.
Well, I AM SURE you know little of which you speak.
A good guy with a gun could be a police officer, a teacher, a custodian, a parent, a customer, a bystander ........anyone. That you cannot fathom how they would actually help END a mass shooting is incomprehensible.


One more guy with a gun, blasting away?
Dramatic, but not based on reality or previous incidents where a "good guy with a gun" actually ended the episode.
Sutherland Springs, TX and White Settlement, TX church shootings.......both ended by "good guys with a gun". Unfornately in Sutherland Springs no one in the church was armed. in White Settlement they were. Which had the most survivors?



High on adrenaline, thinking he's John Wayne,
Pretty sure his adrenaline would be pretty high whether he had a gun or didn't, whether he chose to act or not. The difference is if he did choose to act to stop the bad guy, he'll live to talk about it. As far as "thinking he's John Wayne"..............grow the heck up. Use of deadly force is a damn serious act and you belittling the mindset of those willing to risk their life and accept liability for their actions is shameful. The Brady Campaign really has nothing better to do?





...gonna finally put that pistol he's been packing for years to good use? Is our good guy shooting solids? Woops, sorry the round passed through the bad guy, and killed your wife, sir. Or is our good guy's heater loaded with a self defense round of some sort,?
Valid concerns anytime you carry a firearm. Probably a reason its covered in many states firearm licensing courses.



Woops, I'm sorry I missed the bad guy, ma'am, and destroyed your little boys arm.
Yet, the bad guy is in the process of killing everyone there, and that mother and little boy have seconds to live. Do you not see how your scenario makes no more sense than a conversation with Joe Biden?
Survivors of a shooting would LOVE to be able to say "I'm sorry", the victims won't have that chance.



Also, when the swat team crashes the party, anyone holding a gun is fair game.
You are deluded.
A "SWAT team" is going to crash the party after everyone is dead. More likely it will be one brave police officer armed with a handgun and hopefully an AR15. Sure, absolutely, misidentification of the shooter is possible. But thirty second response times are only TV and the movies, likely the response time is five minutes or more. In fact, in Dallas, the average response time for a Priority 1 (shootings and murders) call in 2018 was 8.35 minutes. So, don't hold your breath waiting for the police.
 
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We are off topic as to the qualities of the proposed director. Also, if you comment on gun usage, you should know what you are talking about. There clearly are many cases of civilians stopping mass shootings.

If you want to make yourself look foolish here, go ahead.

This will close unless we get back on topic.
 
Ok people, who we gonna nominate for BATFE director. He’ll never get confirmed but we want to placate our base and piss off 30 million gun owners.

Chipman? Isn’t he that AFT anti gun doofus who acts out on line. Perfect.

Remember folks it’s Biden’s puppeteers that are trying to get to us. Don’t forget 2022 is just around the corner.
 
Biden is going to nominate a former ATF agent who is a devout gun control advocate. He is a consultant to the anti-gun Gifford Foundation. The story is in the Washington Post here.
Hopefully the nomination will be defeated in the Senate.
If all the world is indeed a stage and we are in fact merely players.... the script has gone from a drama to a farce.

I despair the American *experiment*.

Think I'll make that my new "signature" line.:(

Todd.
 
I'm not so sure a good guy with a gun would actually help things during a mass shooting situation.

Clearly the CERTAINTY of being murdered EXECUTION style is better than the POSSIBILITY of being ACCIDENTALLY wounded.

Why not just offer to kill ONESELF to save the murderer the trouble?
 
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