Outlaw Kid upgraded 1851 to the range again!

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Man I have fun with this thing. Does that muzzle look like a train tunnel at this angle?
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Loading with new Remington caps, courtesy of a fine young man.

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I did buy a straight line capper - cannot get it to work right, went back to thumbs method.

Obligatory fat old guy shot, promoting my favorite gun company, of course.

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This time I went for the "have fun" angle, so shots were one handed at Black Bart, er, the steel target, at 15 yards. I know the sights are off, so I "compensated"...sort of.

There seems to be some BOOM left in this old warhorse, eh?

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My son was somewhat stunned - he automatically classified BP firearms as weak and old...surprise.

So, 15 yards, first six...aiming low, missed two.

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Well, he's dead...I guess, or he's looking back at me, not sure. I need to get the front sight fixed. After 18 rounds things were REALLY starting to drag, and I had no real BP cleaning supplies, so I was done. If I honestly HAD to use this as a field revolver, I wouldn't be too upset. That ball smacked that steel with some serious authority. If I can make some paper cartridges, (I think my field loads were not quite consistent, some boomed a wee bit more than others), I think I can make this work even better. I just wish I knew what the trick with that online capper is...and I am STILL having fun! :D
 
armoredman said:
Well, he's dead...I guess, or he's looking back at me, not sure.
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Well, you certainly knocked him cross-eyed! :)

Great post & pics, looks like a fun range day.

I've been "cheating on" my BP guns lately :oops:. Gotta get back out & make some real smoke.
 
armoredman said:
I did buy a straight line capper - cannot get it to work right, went back to thumbs method.
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On many inline cappers the end is too squared off to work well. The ones I have that are like this I believe are Traditions brand. Rounding the square off a bit with a file has improved the usability, i've attached a pic of one that has been filed... Ted cash cappers (inline type) are better functioning to me and work good right out of the pack.

I've also been using a 3D printed star type capper and like the way they work.

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armoredman said:
Man I have fun with this thing. Does that muzzle look like a train tunnel at this angle?
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Loading with new Remington caps, courtesy of a fine young man.

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I did buy a straight line capper - cannot get it to work right, went back to thumbs method.

Obligatory fat old guy shot, promoting my favorite gun company, of course.

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This time I went for the "have fun" angle, so shots were one handed at Black Bart, er, the steel target, at 15 yards. I know the sights are off, so I "compensated"...sort of.

There seems to be some BOOM left in this old warhorse, eh?

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My son was somewhat stunned - he automatically classified BP firearms as weak and old...surprise.

So, 15 yards, first six...aiming low, missed two.

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Well, he's dead...I guess, or he's looking back at me, not sure. I need to get the front sight fixed. After 18 rounds things were REALLY starting to drag, and I had no real BP cleaning supplies, so I was done. If I honestly HAD to use this as a field revolver, I wouldn't be too upset. That ball smacked that steel with some serious authority. If I can make some paper cartridges, (I think my field loads were not quite consistent, some boomed a wee bit more than others), I think I can make this work even better. I just wish I knew what the trick with that online capper is...and I am STILL having fun! :D
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Glad you had a blast! The sound of blackpowder can be deceptive. It’s louder in part due to its inefficiency. More energy goes into the BOOM and chemical residue. Less goes into propelling the ball.
 
Very awesome! I call that good shooting. I should be getting my Uberti 1860 back from Goons’s Gunworks any day now. I had him give it the works. Posts like these get me jonesin’ for it.
 
SlowFuse said:
On many inline cappers the end is too squared off to work well. The ones I have that are like this I believe are Traditions brand. Rounding the square off a bit with a file has improved the usability, i've attached a pic of one that has been filed... Ted cash cappers (inline type) are better functioning to me and work good right out of the pack.

I've also been using a 3D printed star type capper and like the way they work.

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I will try that, thank you!
 
67C8EDE8-9274-405A-AAF2-2120090B900D.jpeg An old work horse that rattled like an old Ford Truck. Loose arbor and a cylinder gap a mile wide.
Less than two weeks portal to portal, in Texas at the KIDS and now it does this. Awesome to see what it would do in the hands of a good shooter. ;)

Apologies to the OP. Just wanted an opportunity to add accolades to the same person you mentioned.
Thanks Sergio.
 
hrt4me said:
that represents a lot of shots for a black powder cap-and-ball revolver!
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It’s standard for me, I’ll shoot 48 shots, these with paper cartridges, then change the target and do the same with another revolver. I score my self. this was an 11, a bout average for me.
 
Roundball. .454 over 1.6cc of 3F. Lube was 50/50 smeared over chamber mouth after loading. It’s the easy way. ;) RWS 1075 plus caps.
 
Aha. As much as I don't like doing the "smear", I will grudgingly admit that it will keep the gun running for a long time. Great shooting.
 
I don’t normally I’ve just not found a sensible way to prelube with paper cartridges. I’ve tried dipping them ball first but the lube is like a shell that flakes easy. Wads are too thick for the mandrel I’m using, trying the “Kids” waxed paper towel, but I’m having trouble cutting them and they seem so thin.
 
The Kid wads work very well. They do "seem" too thin, but they work. You can double them up too, and still have less thickness than a felt wad. However, I don't think there's a way to get enough lube under a ball or bullet to run a gun as long as with the Smear. One of them-there "big lube" bullets might come close.

Some lubes on the arbor/cylinder pin work better than others and will keep the gun running for a long time. Might look into that.

Another option to avoid the Smear, could be to reduce the volume of powder by using 4fg, but maintaining velocity, or not compromising it too much, if that is a concern, and then using a thick juicy wad under the ball, with a waxed carboard wad (milk carton) under it to keep it from contaminating the powder. The 4fg will burn much cleaner, and again you don't need as much volume to get the same or close to the weight of 3fg or worse yet (!!!) 2fg which I don't really understand why people use 2fg in a pistol, but whatever.

The Kid has recipes for lube that doesn't migrate into the paper of a cartridge.
 
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Some time back I had made lube pills for placing over the cylinder mouth after charging. One can buy those also. Today I floated a thin layer of 50/50 over a pan of hot water and let it cool. Tomorrow I’ll see how easy I can punch out pills. A 38 special case with the mouth slightly sharpened with a deburring tool, aka pocket knife, cuts the right diameter pill to fit under the roundball in the paper cartridges.
 
whughett said:
View attachment 993962 An old work horse that rattled like an old Ford Truck. Loose arbor and a cylinder gap a mile wide.
Less than two weeks portal to portal, in Texas at the KIDS and now it does this. Awesome to see what it would do in the hands of a good shooter. ;)

Apologies to the OP. Just wanted an opportunity to add accolades to the same person you mentioned.
Thanks Sergio.
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Thank you for the positive review! Now your gun was quite the project! Most folks would have given up, made it a wall hanger, or sold the gun. But this gun just felt great to hold...something about it just felt right when holding it. I believe i mentioned this to you? Soooo yes it needed more than just the slick up job, the whole gun had fitment issues. Aside from the usual tuning i had to drill out the arbors set pin and then tap it to accept a screw to hold the arbor tightly in place permanently. Even though it is a pietta it had fitment issues with the arbor, probably because its pre-CNC manufacture. Had to adjust that and the wedge that was just swimming in the wedge slot. And more and more fitment work to get it just right. But after all work was done it had a tight arbor and cylinder gap and smooth cylcling. It handled like a whole new gun yet had that familiar feel of a comfortable gun that just felt right in your hand. Although it was quite a bit of work and i usually just do slick up jobs...i am glad i took up this project to give the gun the attention it deserved.
 
As the photo shows. It’s just fine now. ;) That’s off hand BTW. Granted at only 12 yards but...............!
Also I’d like to note that’s 48 shots with no appreciable difference, the left string is, I believe the first cylinder.

So thank you. Job well done. Unbelievably turn around time. :what:
 
Thank you! Woulda been a faster turn around time but gun needed extra work and have had some stuff at home that needed my attention as well. So glad you are happy with the end result.
 
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