I found some reduced loads on Hodgdens site for 223 and 308 using these powders. However, I don’t have a manual action in either caliber to run them through. Will those powders work in 30-30? I don’t see why not, but AFAIK there isn’t published data for it.
Titegroup or Clays in 30-30?
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milsurpguy
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I believe there are 30-30 loads like what you are looking for posted on here.
Fastest I have loaded in 30-30 is unique .
Fastest I have loaded in 30-30 is unique .
bluetopper
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Both those powders are very spikey past a certain point and I don't know how you'd know where that point is. I wouldn't even attempt it.
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The fastest I load in 308 is also unique. If you can find magnum pistol powders your likely to have a book load. 4227 gets no love and is usually available when every thing else is gone. Works great in 308.
Blackrock
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I'm loading 165gr cast in 30-30 using Red Dot. Titegroup might not do to well as it likes to be loaded a the top of charge weight. I think you would get pressure spikes with both Clays or Titegroup.
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I'm checking the Hodgdon 2021 manual and there's no data for the OP's powder choices.
Which is a pity cause I'm waiting on some 30-30 brass and have a four pound unopened jug of Titegroup.
But they do have data for H335 which I have. So, there's always that.
Which is a pity cause I'm waiting on some 30-30 brass and have a four pound unopened jug of Titegroup.
But they do have data for H335 which I have. So, there's always that.
WeekendReloader
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I've used W231, Unique, Universal and Trail Boss in 30-30.
Check out this for an example of someone that tried Titegroup: http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
Check out this for an example of someone that tried Titegroup: http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
I don't reload for the 30-30. But I've used a bunch of clays in a 308w. I use 10gr of clay with cast bullets ranging from 100gr to 200gr in the 308w to "season" the clean barrel with lube.
I use my culls to sight in cast bullets at different speeds along with running +/- 15 shots of the 10gr/clays loads down a clean bbl to get lube back in the whole length of the bbl. They are actually pretty accurate.
I use my culls to sight in cast bullets at different speeds along with running +/- 15 shots of the 10gr/clays loads down a clean bbl to get lube back in the whole length of the bbl. They are actually pretty accurate.
kerreckt
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There are some loads for 30 cal that use fast pistol powder. Look up C.E Harris "The load" or https://forum.castbulletassoc.org/thread/1387-the-load-is-13-grains-of-red-dot/. It is in many places. I use these type loads with handcast bullets. 1100fps or so.
I can vouch for that site. I've tried titewad, titegroup, and green dot.
Titewad was hands down for 30-30 accuracy.
Titegroup worked but have me random dropped shots. I believe it was from powder ignition inconsistency.
Ranger99
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JMHO- I'd trade any powder I couldn't
use for something I could use. Somewhere
there's a guy in the same boat you are
that has what you want, but needs what
you have
Just me- I don't use any unpublished
loads. The factories are in a way
better position to do all the experimenting
than I am. Let them blow their stuff up
use for something I could use. Somewhere
there's a guy in the same boat you are
that has what you want, but needs what
you have
Just me- I don't use any unpublished
loads. The factories are in a way
better position to do all the experimenting
than I am. Let them blow their stuff up
DocRock
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I’m not familiar with Clays, but unless I had reliable published data for Titegroup in 30-30, I would not experiment with it or take Internet advice on faith. In my experience, Titegroup is not forgiving and is position sensitive.
DocRock
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Thanks for posting that link. I’d lost track of that. Well worth reading again.
Not a good idea, reduced loads for the 30-30 or 30WCF. The 94 Winchesters were made for about 2200fps loads and their sights won't adjust for loads too far out of that range. I like IMR 3031, get same velocities as 4895 but not the sharp kick. 150 and 170 grain bullets are what it's made for.
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In the early 1920s Winchester and Remington UMC produced 110gr jacketed hollow point cartridges for the .30-30. Prior to that, there were 110gr lead bullet cartridges available for small game use.
To say that the 30-30 was 'made for' 150 and 170 grain bullets, and it's not a good idea to reduce loads is to ignore over a century of use.
Historically, many could not afford more than one rifle and used the one they did own for all types of hunting. To use a 150 grain bullet at 2200 fps is a bit of overkill when shooting at small game.
The 30-30 can be, and has successfully been used for many different bullet weights at a wide range of velocity.
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I would use AA5744 or for a really light load use H4895 with the 60% formula provided by Hodgdon. The data is safe and tested.
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Incorrect, you need to do a little research before throwing a blanket statement like that . False info does no good.
Dale why not explain why you think this?
Yes I should have mentioned 110's for small game. The point is the Winchesters and their sights won't adjust too much to go out of the original parameters for their original loadings. Winchester did make smaller cartridges in the 94 just for small game.
Yes I should have mentioned 110's for small game. The point is the Winchesters and their sights won't adjust too much to go out of the original parameters for their original loadings. Winchester did make smaller cartridges in the 94 just for small game.
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