Guns at Tokyo Olympics

Reloadron said:

So you lived for an extended period in Japan? When and where? You figure you have a working knowledge of the Japanese culture too? When you have lived abroad for extended periods and had to abide by the laws of other countries you may understand different cultures. While the Japanese people feel no need for guns they do have a natural curiosity about guns. The Japanese I entertained in the US wanted to do all the things they could do in the US but not at home and yes, 10 min after arriving they want a shooting range. That does not mean they want to carry a gun in their native country. Australia is another good example, why was it so easy to disarm the entire population?

When did CCW actually come about in the US? Even today many states make it difficult to carry a concealed weapon. CCW is still relatively new in the US following years of CCW actually being banned. CCW today enjoys far more freedom than 10 or 20 years ago.

Ron

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You are missing the point.
Most people that could legally conceal carry in the US don't; most people in the US are not walking around armed.
Gun friendly KY got concealed carry mid 1990's and I was surely one of the first to apply.
You condone keeping people disarmed and justify it because its their culture, or say they don't want it (freedom)?
Give people the option to own a carry guns, would Japan (insert other country) do that? If the answer is no, that is not freedom.

George P said:

Not totally true; there's a poster on TFL who is Swiss and owns machineguns and shoots them regularly; he has posted pics of his machine pistols
They also get to keep their military rifle (although it is converted to semi auto) after they reach the age where they no longer are part of their national Guard-type forces/

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An acquisition license is required primarily for handguns. Rifles and semiautomatic long arms that are customarily used by recreational hunters are exempt from the licensing requirement,44] whereas fully automatic guns are banned.45] An applicant for a weapons license must be at least eighteen years of age, may not have been placed under guardianship, may not give cause for suspicion that he would endanger himself or others with the weapon, and may not have a criminal record with a conviction for a violent crime or of several convictions for nonviolent crimes.46] The license is issued by the canton of residence of the applicant but is valid throughout Switzerland. The license is valid for six months, maximally nine months.47] It is usually valid for the acquisition of one weapon only.48]

The Glockodile said:

Our self - absorbed concept of "freedom" does tend to be myopic and somewhat inbred.

I like how some states like guns and others abhor guns - and I appreciate their differences.

I get to weigh the pros and cons of each territory, and make my choices based on what each has to offer.

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I'm not sure exactly how concepts can be inbred. People can be.

But really when you state how you "like" that some states (again) "like" guns and some do not, are we not actually measuring how far a states government has chosen to stray from our bill of rights? How far elected officials stray from "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed "?

In Illinois, you can't exercise a constitutional right without paying fees and submitting paperwork. It's been 16 months since I sent mine to the state police. They took the money out on day 2. The FOID remains MIA.

I would say some states get it "right " and adhere to the founding documents, and some folks think they know better and are highly evolved.

This mentality is now playing out across the board in myriad factors of government. I suppose we'll see how that works out. / insert Kermit the frog sipping his tea

CDW4ME said:

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You are missing the point.
Most people that could legally conceal carry in the US don't; most people in the US are not walking around armed.
Gun friendly KY got concealed carry mid 1990's and I was surely one of the first to apply.
You condone keeping people disarmed and justify it because its their culture, or say they don't want it (freedom)?
Give people the option to own a carry guns, would Japan (insert other country) do that? If the answer is no, that is not freedom.

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It's in the "eye of the beholder." Japan may not consider ccw freedom. So what? It's their country, THEIR culture. We can't do anything about it, realistically, anyway. We define OUR country, let others define theirs.

So, if guns are banned here, that's not freedom, it's oppression. We have some chance of correcting it.
We can't invade every totalitarian kakistocracy on earth and impose freedom and gun availability.

P5 Guy said:

An acquisition license is required primarily for handguns. Rifles and semiautomatic long arms that are customarily used by recreational hunters are exempt from the licensing requirement,44] whereas fully automatic guns are banned.45] An applicant for a weapons license must be at least eighteen years of age, may not have been placed under guardianship, may not give cause for suspicion that he would endanger himself or others with the weapon, and may not have a criminal record with a conviction for a violent crime or of several convictions for nonviolent crimes.46] The license is issued by the canton of residence of the applicant but is valid throughout Switzerland. The license is valid for six months, maximally nine months.47] It is usually valid for the acquisition of one weapon only.48]

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I'm just telling what he has posted.
2003 CZ 75 automatic (shot in semi auto) top gun

Beretta 93 R, had it for over 20 years and still love it


Doesn't seem like they are banned

Lineman65 said:

Check out the rental ranges in Vegas and other major tourist destinations. There are plenty of Japanese who are interested in firearms. (Sorry, this point was made already, I’ll read the thread next time before posting so hastily.)

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Yes, and I mentioned that. About as quick as they get off the plane they want to shoot. When most people visit a place where they can do something they can't do at home or where they come from they look forward to trying new things. They enjoy their new found freedoms and it's just human nature. During the mid 70s I hosted a visitor from Japan who I met late 60s. The first thing she wanted to get was a bikini and the next thing she wanted to try was smoking weed. Bikinis simply were not worn in Japan then and their illegal drug laws were like Singapore so strict is an understatement.

Back on topic and leaving CCW since the thread is not about CCW or US laws. The thread is about Japan and Japanese laws regarding guns, including air guns. Their laws are strict and penalties severe. They also mete out punishment quickly. Japan is also not alone with strict gun control laws. Over a long career I spent 20 years traveling and living abroad. Some military and the remainder working as a civilian component of the US Department of Defense. When you do this you abide by the laws of the countries you are hosting you. You also learn about their cultures and their beliefs. I will say of all the countries I was always happy to return home to the US and after retiring I have had no desire to live in any of the countries which hosted me.

Countries compete to host Olympics. Japan should have given this some thought because unlike the Winter Olympics of 72 (Sapporo Japan) these Olympics which they bid on include shooting. They had to know there would be a conflict with the shooting competition. They should have made that clear up front to the Olympic Committee. They wanted the games and should have made plans to either set aside their laws temporarily or never got in the race in the beginning. So while I can appreciate their culture and their laws all of this should have been given thought before now. Now is a little late! Additionally the Olympic Committee should have had a handle on this long before now. The problem is things are too far along to deny Japan the competitions.

So anyway with the topic at hand what's the solution?

Ron

CapnMac said:

Florida was 1987.

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Yes, so in the big scale CCW is relatively new. During the 1800s concealed carry was actually banned by law in most of the southern states. Anyway, back to Japan and Olympics.

Ron

Reloadron said:

back to Japan and Olympics

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Very likely to be canceled.

Tommygunn said:

It's in the "eye of the beholder." Japan may not consider ccw freedom. So what? It's their country, THEIR culture. We can't do anything about it, realistically, anyway. We define OUR country, let others define theirs.

So, if guns are banned here, that's not freedom, it's oppression. We have some chance of correcting it.
We can't invade every totalitarian kakistocracy on earth and impose freedom and gun availability.

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THR has apparently been infiltrated by everytown for gun safety, brady whatever, moms demand gun control ...
If they (individuals in Japan) wanted to carry concealed they can't. Would the Japanese gov let them? No. That aint freedom.
Using your term its oppression.
Japan or wherever, prohibition of concealed carry is not indicative of freedom.

Do anything about it? No.
How about this (it will never happen, dream big).
Any country that wants/receives US assistance in any form, it is tied to the citizens of recipient country having the equivalent of 2A rights.
Don't want the citizens of wherever to get equivalent of 2A rights, fine we don't send money or whatever. Our money our rules.