Smith and Wesson New Century

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No. The 45 S&W, commonly referred to as 45 Schofield, was a substitute round for the 45 long Colt. The 45 S&W Special, aka the 45 Frankford, was an even shorter round. It was also designed to mimic the 45 S&W, kind of a rimmed version of the cartridge that became the 45 ACP. There was a fairly lengthy discussion of it on the S&W forum.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/239473-army-tests-triple-lock-1907-a.html


A condensed version,

“…My example of this cartridge is headstamped FA 4 06. Specs are:
Rim dia. .526
rim thickness .042
case dia. .470
case length .914
Overall length 1.296
cupronickle jacketed bullet dia. .452

Made only in 1905 and 1906, there were both rimmed and rimless cases.
In Charles R. Suydam's US Cartridges and their handguns it is stated that the charge is 6.9 grains of RSQ powder...”

“…It seems clear that this is indeed the .45 "Experimental" (or Frankford, or S&W Special) revolver round manufactured by FA for test use in the S&W and Colt revolvers included in the 1907 pistol trials. It would seem the differences in the round from the old original .45 Government (Schofield, M1877) round are in the use of smokeless powder instead of black powder, a slightly shorter case (which would be more efficient with smokeless powder), and a jacketed bullet rather than lead...”

“…The so-called "Cal. .45 Ball, Model of 1906" was developed in late 1905 by Frankford Arsenal for use in testing revolvers submitted for the Army trials that began in 1906. The case was rimmed, 0.923" in length, and was loaded with a 230-grain cupro-nickel jacketed round-nose bullet over 7.2 grains of Bullseye smokeless powder. The muzzle velocity was 800 fps.

10,000 rounds were ordered manufactured for the trials. The bulk of the casings were manufactured in April 1906, with most of the order being completed as loaded rounds by July of that year. The only reported headstamp is "F A 4 06". Evidently, both cannelured and uncannelured cases were made, with the cannelure being located on the case just behind the base of the bullet where it served to control seating depth.

It would seem that there was never any commercial production of this ammo, but the Union Metallic Cartridge Company provided 5000 rounds to Smith & wesson in June of 1906.…”

“…Here are some dimensions taken from Triple Lock SN 09. It is a pre-production item made for the army trials. It has a 6 1/2 inch barrel with no caliber markings. This gun was part of my brother's collection.

Headspace in gun: .055 (cylinder pressed forward)
Cylinder OD: 1.694
Clinder length: 1.580 (1917 cylinder is 1.535
chamber depth: .895
Chamber dia: .477
Throat dia of cyl: .454
The front of the chamber is tapered like any other rimmed cartridge chamber.…”


The cartridge in question was developed by the Frankford Arsenal specifically for the 1907 Trials. S&W was aware of the cartridge and hoping to land the contract, planned to introduce it commercially as the 45 S&W Special. They did not receive the contract and the rest, as they say, is history.

Kevin
Predecessor to the .45 AutoRim, possibly.
 
I have serial number 225 from the British contract. Unfortunately, mine has been converted to 45 auto rim, but it's still a great gun.
 
I forgot to mention the serial number.

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It was shipped on 14 October, 1914 to Remington UMC prior to making the trip across the pond to help the English war effort.

Kevin
I guess that if you can't be bothered to find a low-numbered example.... that'll have to do for now.

As it's missing the lanyard loop - it makes me curious. Did they have that preferred ring style for the British or a the U.S. revised elongated loop?

Todd.
 
I guess that if you can't be bothered to find a low-numbered example.... that'll have to do for now.

As it's missing the lanyard loop - it makes me curious. Did they have that preferred ring style for the British or a the U.S. revised elongated loop?

Todd.

Todd,

Not sure if you are aware there were some 44 Special Triple Locks that were reworked to accept the 455 cartridge and since the 44s were serial in their own run, there are approximately 600 duplicate numbers in the two series.

You are correct, I am not one who collects serial numbers.

The lanyard stud and ring are the same as found on the Model 1917 and other contemporary models.

Kevin
 
Todd,

Not sure if you are aware there were some 44 Special Triple Locks that were reworked to accept the 455 cartridge and since the 44s were serial in their own run, there are approximately 600 duplicate numbers in the two series.

You are correct, I am not one who collects serial numbers.

The lanyard stud and ring are the same as found on the Model 1917 and other contemporary models.

Kevin
Meant entirely Tonge-in-cheek. I've never seen a two digit S&W before and thought it was damn cool.

Todd.
 
A couple weeks ago I went into the LGS to look at a commercial S&W 1917 they had advertised on their Facebook page. That got me in the store and sitting next to the well used 1917 was a pristine Triple Lock in 455 Webley. I was sorely tempted to buy that revolver but in the ensuing conversation about revolvers and 455 Webley cartridge in particular I learned they had a Webley Mark VI in the back and a week later I had myself an unshaved 1916 Webley Mark VI. I would have bought the Triple Lock too but the first thing shot with either revolver would have been me by the wife when she found out I bought two revolvers.

It is interesting that your revolver appears converted to 45 Colt. That would have made me give it a hard pass but it sounds like you are going to do interesting things with it. Update us when you can, especially when you get to finally shoot it!
 
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I am very glad someone is doing something with my screwed up wall hanger of two decades. I didn't know that was the serial # ! What number is inside the crane when opened ?
Assembly number, I think. On Colts, the serial is inside the crane stamped into the frame.
 
Gordon,
Thank you again for the opportunity to be the next caretaker for this revolver.
Kevin

That Gordon is a good man. :)
Just before Christmas he set me up with a wonderful Colt Detective Special. It had some wear and needed a new mainspring, but it was an honest to goodness Detective Special that at one time actually belonged to a Detective in a California Sheriff’s Dept.
The man drove down from where he lived to my town to do the face to face transfer required in this state. Not a short drive even one way.
Gordon is definitely a good guy. :thumbup:
 
Howdy

Ah, Triple Locks. Glad to see you were able to get your hands on one.

For a long time, the Triple Lock, officially known as the 44 Hand Ejector 1st Model, and alternatively as the New Century, was my grail revolver. This was back when you could not touch one for under $1000.

I have a few now.

But first, let's talk about an interesting 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model.

A fairly large number (666 I believe) of Triple Locks was sent to Great Britain in 33 separate shipments, from April 1912 to April 1916, the majority of which shipped October 21, 1914. I believe all were chambered for the .455 Mark II cartridge. But the Brits were not happy with the large shroud under the barrel. They were concerned the revolvers could be disabled in the field by mud collecting around the ejector rod in the shroud. Smith and Wesson introduced the 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model in 1915. It lacked the underbarrel shroud and the fancy third lock of the Triple Lock. Whether because of the Brit's concerns about mud, or simply because it made the 2nd Models more competitive in the market place is unclear, but according to Roy Jinks in his book History of Smith and Wesson the Triple Lock retailed for $21 while the 2nd Model retailed for $19. The $2 difference was due to eliminating the cost to manufacture the third latch. $2 was a significant sum in 1915, an inflation calculator states it would be $52.30 today.

During the years when a Triple Lock was out of my financial reach I bought what was sold to me as a 44 HE 2nd Model for a reasonable price. Chambered for 44 Special of course. Notice the lack of the shroud under the barrel and the lack of the third latch.

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But after a while I became intrigued by the interesting markings on it. Yes, chambered for 44 Special.

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But I was curious what this marking was on the bottom of the butt.

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And this strange looking mark on the frame.

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Most curious of all, on the flat under the barrel where the Serial Number should have been duplicated instead I found this mark.

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Some guys over at the Smith and Wesson Forum told me what I had was actually a 455 Hand Ejector 2nd Model that had been converted to 44 Special.

So I had it lettered. Turns out they were correct. What I have is a 455 Hand Ejector, 2nd Model.


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As the letter states at the end, it appears my revolver was converted to 44 Special at the factory at some point. The diamond shaped mark under the barrel is a typical marking S&W put on revolvers they had modified. The lack of a SN there shows that is not the barrel the revolver shipped with. The crown shaped mark on the bottom of the butt is a British proof mark, and the odd shaped marking on the frame is the Canadian Broad Arrow. Just like the British Broad Arrow but with a C around it for Canada. At one point I bumped into the dealer I had bought the revolver from and mentioned all this to him. I wasn't looking to get any of my money back, I just thought he would find it interesting. The look on his face told me he knew this all along. Live and learn when collecting old guns.



Anyway, I'm lucky enough now to own a few Triple Locks. All chambered for 44 Special. This nickel plated one shipped in October of 1915.

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The Holiest of Holies, a target model that shipped in 1913.

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But my favorite is this well worn one that shipped in 1907. That is what Roy Jinks told me, despite most references stating the Triple Lock first shipped in 1908. Although most of the blue is worn off, that is oxidized steel we are looking at, and the checkering almost completely gone from the grips, it still locks up tight as a bank vault and is great fun to shoot. I got this one for a song, because it is so worn on the outside that none of the high end collectors looked at it twice. $650 out the door a few years ago.

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Interesting the way the chambering is called out. Not the typical 44 S&W SPECIAL CTG marking, just 44 S&W CTG. Roy told me he suspects the stamp with SPECIAL in it had not been made up yet. The Serial Number on this one is very low, under 200.

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Anyway, those are my Triple Locks.

I hope you have fun with yours. Don't forget when you take it apart that all these early N frame Hand Ejectors had a tiny spring and spring plunger inserted into a hole in the yoke. There is a dimple in the frame somewhere that the plunger indexes into. The idea was to keep the cylinder open all the way when it was swung open for loading. Lots of times the spring and its plunger are missing, having rocketed off to Pluto and beyond when an unwary kitchen table gunsmith disassembled the revolver for the first time.

That 1913 Holiest of Holies is a stunning revolver!
 
I am very glad someone is doing something with my screwed up wall hanger of two decades. I didn't know that was the serial # ! What number is inside the crane when opened ?

There are six places where S&W marked the serial number on Hand Ejectors, seven places on Triple Locks. Here is the section on locations I cut and pasted from the S&W forum.

“…NOTE: Observing serial #s for accuracy or even existence, especially on penciled stocks, requires magnification, bright light, and an attitude that it is there!

1. Gun butt* - or forestrap* on I frames/single shots with grips that cover the butt
2. Barrel - bottom of barrel or in extractor shroud
3. Yoke - on rear face (except the .32 Model 1896) only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight**
4. Extractor star - backside
5. Cylinder - rear face
6. Right stock only*** - on back (except most post war target grips because individual fitting not required.)
stamped, scratched or penciled depending on vintage and stock material.

7. Mid-lock cam plate – “Triple Locks” only, in any caliber (up to all 5 digits).

*NOTE: The one TRUE place you can be sure of reading the original serial number for all Hand Ejectors of any vintage with stamped numbers, (which includes any letter prefixed #s after WW II,) is the BUTT of the gun, (or front grip strap on non-round stocked .22/32 Kit guns and Targets, .32 & .38 S&W Regulation Police pre Model of 1953 I frames. And the 32 Transitional Targets from 1957)…”

The serial has only recently been found in the yoke cutout. I have not yet gotten the New Century clean enough to verify all the locations. Between the move to a new house and work, hobbies have taken a back seat.

Kevin
 
There are six places where S&W marked the serial number on Hand Ejectors, seven places on Triple Locks. Here is the section on locations I cut and pasted from the S&W forum.

“…NOTE: Observing serial #s for accuracy or even existence, especially on penciled stocks, requires magnification, bright light, and an attitude that it is there!

1. Gun butt* - or forestrap* on I frames/single shots with grips that cover the butt
2. Barrel - bottom of barrel or in extractor shroud
3. Yoke - on rear face (except the .32 Model 1896) only visible thru a chamber with a flashlight**
4. Extractor star - backside
5. Cylinder - rear face
6. Right stock only*** - on back (except most post war target grips because individual fitting not required.)
stamped, scratched or penciled depending on vintage and stock material.

7. Mid-lock cam plate – “Triple Locks” only, in any caliber (up to all 5 digits).

*NOTE: The one TRUE place you can be sure of reading the original serial number for all Hand Ejectors of any vintage with stamped numbers, (which includes any letter prefixed #s after WW II,) is the BUTT of the gun, (or front grip strap on non-round stocked .22/32 Kit guns and Targets, .32 & .38 S&W Regulation Police pre Model of 1953 I frames. And the 32 Transitional Targets from 1957)…”

The serial has only recently been found in the yoke cutout. I have not yet gotten the New Century clean enough to verify all the locations. Between the move to a new house and work, hobbies have taken a back seat.

Kevin
That post deserves bookmarking. Thanks!
 
An update. I was curious and grabbed a 45 long Colt cartridge. Dropped it into one of the chambers and it seemed to fit fine. So, I had an ACP around nearby. Grabbed it and dropped it in the chamber expecting it to drop into the chamber but hang on the throat. Imagine my surprise when it dropped clear through and hit my foot! So, whoever “converted” this to 45 long Colt just reamed the chambers to .480.

Anyone have a spare N frame cylinder for sale!

Kevin
 
Since my Colt Officers Model Heavy Barrel .38 doesn't have the front latch that fits into the indentation in the ejector rod like the S&W’s do, how do those lock up?

Not sure how those work :).

Stay safe.
The hand acts as a lock. Colt cylinders rotate clockwise (seen from the rear) and hand pressure on ratchet acts as a lock.

On triple locks, the locking pin points backward, and the tendency is for the gun to recoil away from the locking pin, which may partially unlock on firing. No one has ever shown that 2nd model S&Ws, without the triple lock, are less accurate or less durable than the Triple Locks.
 
On triple locks, the locking pin points backward, and the tendency is for the gun to recoil away from the locking pin, which may partially unlock on firing. No one has ever shown that 2nd model S&Ws, without the triple lock, are less accurate or less durable than the Triple Locks.

I once saw a high speed photo of a S&W at the moment of firing. The center pin and front latch were kicked out of engagement.


The hand acts as a lock. Colt cylinders rotate clockwise (seen from the rear) and hand pressure on ratchet acts as a lock.

One Internet Expert said the Colt hand was a "sacrificial part", stressed beyond the elastic limit, and periodic replacement was to be expected.
 
Your going to shoot yourself? If it was a very early Colt 1917 then it might have come from the factory like that but I suspect you are correct that aint a factory S&W cylinder. Have you tried shooting it yet?
Correct me if I'm not seeing it right ...never mind, definitely did not see it right.

Maybe a British .455" ?
 
If it was a very early Colt 1917 then it might have come from the factory like that

I have been hearing this for years and years but have never seen one of the supposed 50000 guns with "bored through" chambers. Did they replace cylinders at post war refurbishment or what?
 
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