Recoil Pad For Steel Buttplate Lever Gun

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Got a 1892 replica in 45LC and it just tears my shoulder up. Can shoot it all day, but I feel it later. That I don't mind, but if I take anything with a little recoil along with it to the range, 30-06 or 375 Ruger, then I don't shoot the bolt guns as much as I'd like because the lever gun has turned my shoulder into hamburger after 100-150 rounds.

Had the 375 Ruger with me the other day and I put it away with rounds left to shoot. It was just agony after a while after all those steel buttplate lever gun rounds.

I've got slip on Limb Savers on the 30-06 and 375 Ruger, and it turned both from stout to pleasing to shoot, for me. What is a good solution for an Italian 1892 replica? I'd just get another Limb Saver, but the stock on the 1892 is small and is pretty curved, and I'd also like something that looks like it belongs on the rifle. Looked for something leather but didn't like what I found.

Appreciate any feedback, thanks!
 
My .44 mag Rossi 92 had a curved metal buttplate. Looked real cool, but it was pretty uncomfortable to shoot. Wasn't so much the recoil itself as the nasty curved buttplate. Finally just said screw it, and had my gunsmith take the damn thing off. Didn't care about what a recoil pad looked like. He flattened the stock out, and put a recoil pad on it, making it the most fun gun to shoot I had. Only reason I sold it was to buy a takedown version of the same thing from Chiappa... also with a recoil pad.

Old Rossi...

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Newer Chiappa... set up pretty much the same way. Comfy shooting is better shooting.


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I bought a wrap around leather one for my Rossi 92 to make the stock just a little longer. I found it on Amazon and it is a nice pad although I had to add another 3/8" piece of foam to make it long enough to suit me and it does reduce recoil altho not as good as a Kick-Eez I had on another rifle. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the pad. Bourdon or something close to that.
 
Wear a pad?
Ditto.
That's my solution for my steel butt-plate large caliber milsurps. Only one needed for many different rifles and doesn't detract from the authenticity and character of the gun, either.

Remember the original bearers of these arms where wearing military field uniforms usually of multiple thick wool layers over thick underwear, and so they were already pretty well cushioned against their rifles' recoil.

I've tried Limbsavers and Kick-eez slip-on and replacement butt pads and generally found them to be a waste of money and make the rifle look pretty stupid as well.

Notice how Hickock45 always feels it necessary to make some sort of an apologetic explanation when he shoots a rifle with a Limbsaver on it? He puts them on to increase his LOP because he's a tall guy with long arms, and I can understand doing that, but he realizes how he's got to explain for the benefit of his new viewers every video where he does that, so he doesn't come across as a recoil-wimp.
 
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Howdy

Many, many years ago I bought a Winchester Model 1894 chambered for 30-30 at a yard sale. I believe I only paid about $40 for it. The rifle had been cut down, the barrel had been shortened to 20 inches and the magazine had been shortened to about half its original length. And it had a crescent shaped butt plate. Because it had been shortened, the rifle was very light. Because of the crescent shaped butt plate I could only stand to shoot it for about three shots, it hurt so much to shoot it. Not to mention the terrific flinch I developed after the first shot.

Please study the following photos:

Uberti replica of the iron frame 1860 Henry, chambered for 44-40.

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Marlin Model 1889, chambered for 38-40.

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Marlin Model 1894, chambered for 44-40.

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Winchester Model 1873, chambered for 38-40.

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Winchester Model 1892, chambered for 44-40.

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Winchester Model 1892, chambered for 32-20.

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Winchester Model 1886, chambered for 45-70.

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Winchester Model 1894, chambered for 30-30.

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What do all these rifles have in common? A crescent shaped butt plate. This was the standard configuration for Winchester and Marlin rifles for many years. I'm not talking about carbines, that is a topic for a separate discussion. The major rifle companies were making rifles with crescent shaped butt stocks for over 100 years, long before rubber slide on butt pads or rubber replacement butt pads existed.

So why did they keep manufacturing rifles like this if they hurt so much to shoot? It had nothing to do with heavy military clothing which would cushion recoil.

The answer is, a crescent shaped butt plate was meant to be mounted to the shoulder differently than many rifle shooters do it today. If you are mounting the crescent butt plate with the points against the meaty part of your shoulder, yes it is going to hurt when the rifle recoils. A crescent shaped butt plate was meant to be mounted a bit further outboard, with the points encircling the shoulder joint. The points should never touch you, the curved crescent part of the butt plate is all that should touch your body. Crescent shaped butt plates like this were meant to prevent the rifle from slipping up or down in recoil as you worked the lever for repeated shots. The points encircling the shoulder joint prevent the butt from slipping up or down. As a matter of fact, you can see similar butt plates on flintlock Kentucky rifles from before the cartridge era.

I found many years ago that in order to shoot a rifle with a crescent shaped butt well I had to alter my stance. I never stand directly facing the target, I stand at an angle, with the rifle slung across my chest. I also raise my elbow to bring the rifle butt up to my cheek and the sights to my eyes. I do not hunch over to bring my face down to the stock as so many modern shooters do.

Really, a lever gun chambered for 45 Colt does not kick very much. The 7 pounds or so of the rifle's weight will keep the recoil very mild. Think about the recoil from that 45-70 Model 1886 Winchester. Or the 30-30 1894 Winchester. The recoil from the 1894 is quite stout, but mounting the rifle as I have described, I could shoot it all afternoon because the points of the crescent shaped butt plate never touch me.

I only wish I still had that old cut down Model 1894. It was stolen many years ago, before I learned the proper way to mount a rifle with a crescent shaped butt plate.
 
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I'd hate to change a buttplad on a lever gun. I'd rather wear one of those pads on the shoulder.
 
I love the look and feel of the curved butts on old rifles so much I’ll gladly endure the recoil that in my opinion isn’t that bad. I think a lot of the felt recoil comes from the drop of stock which for me makes them “hang” great.
 
Howdy

Many, many years ago I bought a Winchester Model 1894 chambered for 30-30 at a yard sale. I believe I only paid about $40 for it. The rifle had been cut down, the barrel had been shortened to 20 inches and the magazine had been shortened to about half its original length. And it had a crescent shaped butt plate. Because it had been shortened, the rifle was very light. Because of the crescent shaped butt plate I could only stand to shoot it for about three shots, it hurt so much to shoot it. Not to mention the terrific flinch I developed after the first shot.

Please study the following photos:

Uberti replica of the iron frame 1860 Henry, chambered for 44-40.

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Marlin Model 1889, chambered for 38-40.

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Marlin Model 1894, chambered for 44-40.

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Winchester Model 1873, chambered for 38-40.

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Winchester Model 1892, chambered for 44-40.

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Winchester Model 1892, chambered for 32-20.

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Winchester Model 1886, chambered for 45-70.

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Winchester Model 1894, chambered for 30-30.

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What do all these rifles have in common? A crescent shaped butt plate. This was the standard configuration for Winchester and Marlin rifles for many years. I'm not talking about carbines, that is a topic for a separate discussion. The major rifle companies were making rifles with crescent shaped butt stocks for over 100 years, long before rubber slide on butt pads or rubber replacement butt pads existed.

So why did they keep manufacturing rifles like this if they hurt so much to shoot? It had nothing to do with heavy military clothing which would cushion recoil.

The answer is, a crescent shaped butt plate was meant to be mounted to the shoulder differently than many rifle shooters do it today. If you are mounting the crescent butt plate with the points against the meaty part of your shoulder, yes it is going to hurt when the rifle recoils. A crescent shaped butt plate was meant to be mounted a bit further outboard, with the points encircling the shoulder joint. The points should never touch you, the curved crescent part of the butt plate is all that should touch your body. Crescent shaped butt plates like this were meant to prevent the rifle from slipping up or down in recoil as you worked the lever for repeated shots. The points encircling the shoulder joint prevent the butt from slipping up or down. As a matter of fact, you can see similar butt plates on flintlock Kentucky rifles from before the cartridge era.

I found many years ago that in order to shoot a rifle with a crescent shaped butt well I had to alter my stance. I never stand directly facing the target, I stand at an angle, with the rifle slung across my chest. I also raise my elbow to bring the rifle butt up to my cheek and the sights to my eyes. I do not hunch over to bring my face down to the stock as so many modern shooters do.

Really, a lever gun chambered for 45 Colt does not kick very much. The 7 pounds or so of the rifle's weight will keep the recoil very mild. Think about the recoil from that 45-70 Model 1886 Winchester. Or the 30-30 1894 Winchester. The recoil from the 1894 is quite stout, but mounting the rifle as I have described, I could shoot it all afternoon because the points of the crescent shaped butt plate never touch me.

I only wish I still had that old cut down Model 1894. It was stolen many years ago, before I learned the proper way to mount a rifle with a crescent shaped butt plate.
That’s the way I shoot my levergun, and never have problems.
 
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