This looks a lot more interesting than a Keltec Sub 2K.

trackskippy · Sep 12, 2021

Just came across this in an email, and it looks really interesting. If it works as advertised, Keltecs likely going to lose some of the market

Trailblazer Pack9

More good bit more info here.....

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/tr...427103015&mc_cid=08afd6d3df&mc_eid=7caf2a6394

I may have missed it, but I didnt see when they were going to be available. Hopefully we get to see one soon.

trackskippy · Sep 12, 2021

ETA: Looks like they are supposed to be out around the first quarter of 2022. No idea on price though.

BreechFace · Sep 12, 2021

Better like chin welding with that one.

The fact that it is barely shorter than 21” is a definite downside. For a pack rifle they need to get the length down further.

Ohen Cepel · Sep 12, 2021

Interesting. Price and quality of it will be interesting to see when it hits the streets. I like that its a rifle and not a braced pistol given potential issues with those down the road.

Appreciate the innovation in any case.

chicharrones · Sep 12, 2021

Too cool. Looks like the backpack is included per another video.

https://trailblazerfirearms.com/

chicharrones · Sep 12, 2021

BreechFace said:
Better like chin welding with that one.

Fire it like a sub-gun at ranges for a sub-gun. Not really a competitor to a rifle shaped gun like the Ruger PC9, IMO.

BreechFace said:
The fact that it is barely shorter than 21” is a definite downside. For a pack rifle they need to get the length down further.

What length is considered optimum for a pack rifle with a 16" barrel?

BreechFace · Sep 12, 2021

chicharrones said:
Fire it like a sub-gun at ranges for a sub-gun. Not really a competitor to a rifle shaped gun like the Ruger PC9, IMO.

I can agree with that, but a PCC can do more than sub-gun range.

chicharrones said:
What length is considered optimum for a pack rifle with a 16" barrel?

Well the Keltec Sub2000 folds to about 16.5” which easily fits in almost any backpack. At 21” there are next to no backpacks that will fit it, trust me I have a few “get home” options for storable firearms and they all are too long in their most compact setting to fit into even longer in length backpacks.

One has to get the length below 19” to have more options on backpacks.

This is coming from someone who doesn’t have a Sub2000 but it’s hard to refute the small package it folds into for storage.

sequins · Sep 12, 2021

I think the SUB 2000 with the suppressor is the best option. No cheek weld means it won't really be much more accurate than a hand gun, whereas a sub 2000 is good to 100 meters no problem.

someguy2800 · Sep 12, 2021

That just looks super chunky and awkward to me. It looks enormously bulky both in the folded and deployed position. I love carbines with the mag in the grip but you could accomplish the same length with either a folding or collapsing stock. Also no cheek weld on the stock is a complete non starter for me.

troy fairweather · Sep 12, 2021

Let me unfold this and point the barrel at me and everyone with in 180° I be this is pricy

sequins · Sep 12, 2021

troy fairweather said:
Let me unfold this and point the barrel at me and everyone with in 180° I be this is pricy

Well, until you finish snapping it it's like an overunder shotgun and there's literally no chance of it going off... I don't mind if a guy sweeps my feet with his broken open overunder slung over his shoulder, and don't consider that a violation.

Same with the SUB-2000 or this gun, as long as the gun is mechanically inoperable until the action is locked it's 100% safe, safer than a shoulder holster anyways and I feel those are sufficiently safe too...

Varminterror · Sep 12, 2021

troy fairweather said:
Let me unfold this and point the barrel at me and everyone with in 180° I be this is pricy

Spin the lower, not the upper.

But this thing looks like a dumpster fire.

Dave DeLaurant · Sep 13, 2021

Except for the skimpy buttstock area (which the aftermarket can probably fix), it looks intriguing -- I hope it makes it further than the Magpul FMG9 concept.

More comfortable looking that some early attempts at foldy PCC/SMGs anyway:

troy fairweather · Sep 13, 2021

It seems they could make the butt stock rotate 180 and have a check weld.

Mosin Bubba · Sep 13, 2021

It looks like it can mount an optic on top, which is one major advantage over the Sub 2K. But other than that, I am not seeing any reason to ditch my Keltec.

sequins · Sep 13, 2021

Mosin Bubba said:
It looks like it can mount an optic on top, which is one major advantage over the Sub 2K. But other than that, I am not seeing any reason to ditch my Keltec.

I have an angled mount on mine. It doesn't lock shut but it still gets the same form factor, it's about 6mm "open" at the muzzle/stock instead of flush like normal but it works great.

The Sub 2000 with the integral suppressor is designed to side fold or like rotate fold or something so you can have a top mounted red dot and still fold it shut. That thing is EXTREMELY cool.

Idahou · Sep 13, 2021

Looks nice and newish, but i kinda have doubts about it. I know, its diffrent worlds, but if i would feel neet to hide rifle/SMG in my backpack i would pick something what is just small by itself. And there is a lot SMGs what will fit in backpac. In case i just dont want take my long gun bag to shooting range i can disassemble most gun into two piices without much effort.
I know, 16 inch barrell can penetrate 3A armor and have better balistic. But if you worry about armory why dont use 5,7x28 or just tokarev (dont know why this round dont get more love) which can do the trick even from pistol barrel (tok not so reliably but still...)
I like inovations, but over here its kinda clancky design, not by executions, but by concept

TacticalSpeed · Sep 13, 2021

Looks very uncomfortable

Speedo66 · Sep 13, 2021

The K-T S2K fits in a nondescript computer bag, which is a plus for invisibility. Doesn't sound like that one will.

Also, the K-T is in production and sold on a national level, it remains to be seen if that one will make it.

chicharrones · Sep 13, 2021

Varminterror said:
Spin the lower, not the upper.

Yep.

Varminterror said:
But this thing looks like a dumpster fire.

While I don't fully agree, that made me burst out laughing. :rofl:

Rule3 · Sep 13, 2021

Damn!
I was just thinking of a getting a plastic folding 9mm to carry around in my back pack. Then assemble it in the woods, get leaves and dirt stuck in it.

What a useful gun! :uhoh:

George Dickel · Sep 13, 2021

I had a Kel Tek S 2000 and I really tried to like it but that thing isn't designed for a human. I don't know if a double jointed chimpanzee could shoot it comfortably, I know I couldn't. The Pack9 doesn't look any better. I think the designers of those firearms when asked about ergonomics, I believe they said "ergo who, never heard of him".

trackskippy · Sep 13, 2021

I dont have a Keltec, although I keep thinking about it every time I see a used one in my local shop. Then I come to my senses.

Ive had a couple of Keltec rifles and handguns, and as I said earlier, cool ideas, but generally poor execution.

The folding thing with the Sub 2K is cool, but theres really no way to mount the optic, other than to use a good lever mount and now you have more to fiddle with it.

This Pack9 thing looks like that can be done without too much issue, but the cheek weld thing is a negative. Maybe they will find a way to address that down the road.

Other than true FA guns, Im not really a big fan of pistol caliber carbines much anymore either. These days, not much point in them with the AR pistols around. Maybe this too will be addressed in later models, assuming they get that far along.

At least its something different and what looks to be a bit more robust than the Keltec.

chicharrones · Sep 13, 2021

Speaking of cheek weld, I figure most folks that put AR height red dots on their non-AR guns ought to feel right at home with a high red dot mount. :ninja:

Of course, if the riser on the red dot in the videos of the Pack9 was simply removed, that would help somewhat.

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doubleh · Sep 13, 2021

I just took a look at the Keltec plus the Ruger takedown 9 mm. My interest level didn't rise a great deal but I did look at some reviews of each. That returned it to zero but I think both would be a better option than the Trailblazer. Of course you all know about opinions.

This looks a lot more interesting than a Keltec Sub 2K.

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