Impromptu metal detector finds kids with 21 weapons at Brooklyn school day after student gun bust

Again it is about controlling law abiding people. Cases like this are just used as excuse for eventual elimination of the 2nd Amendment. It has nothing to do with anyone's safety or preventing murder. Until everyone realizes this, our rights are always going to be endangered.

according the article 21 weapons, not guns were found the next day after the single gun and cash bust.

From the article: "The school does not normally have a scanner in place. And Thursday’s surprise installation netted a varied arsenal — nine knives, seven cans of pepper spray, four stun guns and a pair of brass knuckles, sources said."

All self defense items

I don't get a big rise about somebody's possession of a tool, regardless of age. It's what they do with it that matters.

And heaven forbid that a HS age teen might have pepper spray or a pocket knife. I carried a pocket knife everyday to HS- kept my keys on it. My friends all did the same. This was just before the zero tolerance stupidity hit the streets in mid-90's.

V-fib said:

according the article 21 weapons, not guns were found the next day after the single gun and cash bust.

From the article: "The school does not normally have a scanner in place. And Thursday’s surprise installation netted a varied arsenal — nine knives, seven cans of pepper spray, four stun guns and a pair of brass knuckles, sources said."

All self defense items

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A gun is also a self defense item.

But the link says NYC -- brass knuckles illegal, probably the knives are illegal, don't know about the pepper spray and stun guns.

That's a lot of lunch money

Aim1 said:

How are they acquiring guns?

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Oh that's VERY easy to figure out in fact they've floated it b4, it's MY FAULT I M 3 states away. NRA member, and I own a scary rifle.

Also did anyone else catch it that's a faux GLock i.e. ''ghost gun'' in the pic. I mean, why not put some anti-2A propaganda in there ITS FREE PUBLICITY.

And... if you live 6 STATES away, its still YOUR fault. Now that fault has been determined, why did you do it?!! LoL

Back in the early nineties, still a cop, I had a variety of jobs and responsibilities... One of them was making sure we had a uniform detail at the local high school each day as school got out for the day - to keep those fine young'uns from trying to kill each other actually... Just north of Miami, very, very multi-ethnic student population - with at least a half dozen gangs (or "sets") on scene - some of them very antagonistic.. with everyone on this earth it seemed...
As part of running our Community Patrol.. I was asked one day to do a public talk with a large group of middle school students (the middle school right next to the high school then). None of the kids particularly wanted to hear anything I said - so to loosen it up I asked for a show of hands of anyone who knew of a student who'd brought a gun to school recently... I saw all too many hands shoot up - and even if they were just showing off - it wasn't a good thing at all for me...

Now back to current times... I'd applaud any school administrator that had the stones to actually do roving, un-announced weapons screening - at every school they controlled. Yes, the news media would have a field day - but you might just cut down on armed incidents at your schools in an era when it might just count for something.. Can you imagine what such efforts might show in Chicago?

It should be said that when I was a kid... mid-sixties... there was no such thing as an "active shooter" in anyone's vocabulary...

After the Parkland Shooting here in Florida my suggestion was to have Metal Detectors installed (in schools)

Nope the students complained that their "rights" were violated. Just like the idea of only clear see through back packs. So nothing was done on the school level, all they did was stuff some hasty gun control bill down our throats

It probably only netted a small fraction of what would show up on a normal day. After the first kids showed up you can guarantee word got out on social media in a matter of seconds.

Public checks, just like radar use for traffic need to be as random as possible and of very short duration to be really effective in my view. Set up and run for an hour or two, then fold your tent and set up again at a different location, etc. for max impact. Keep it up and I’d expect kids bringing guns to school would be reduced dramatically…

Remember, you’re trying to achieve several objectives at the same time. The first is to find
out just how bad the problem is, secondly - actually catch bad kids carrying guns or other weapons, and finally seriously discourage that kind of behavior… All while rarely getting any assistance from school authorities… My experience with schools - all those years ago - would probably be worse today from what I’ve heard recently…

Rule3 said:

After the Parkland Shooting here in Florida my suggestion was to have Metal Detectors installed (in schools)

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Metal detectors aren't without their place, but in the case of Parkland, there was a top-down failure to act on a nonexistent plan in the first place. I think this holds true for a lot of the higher profile school shootings as well. Columbine began outdoors, beyond the reach of metal detectors, and in Lanza's case, he shot his way into a locked school. Getting back to Brooklyn, it's worth noting the preceding incident that prompted the screening which produced the two dozen weapons, and the fact that it was office staff, not a metal detector, who spotted the gun in the kid's backpack. Not that either is right, but there's also a difference between a student who shows up to school with a gun in their backpack and one who shows up to school with a gun intending to indiscriminately shoot people with it.

As someone who works in schools, it sounds much easier than it is to competently screen students as they come onto campus. What this really boils down to is a staffing issue, and schools were already notoriously understaffed prior to the pandemic and it's even worse now. Not to deviate too far from the intent of THR, lack of staffing, particularly counselors and support personnel, are at the core of a lot of these issues. Literal security, not so much.

I'm pretty sure the OP's intent here was to present this as a failure of laws aimed to prevent minors from accessing firearms, particularly where those laws tend to be very strict. But even that isn't looking at the bigger picture. Besides, the counter argument to that is in the absence of those laws, there would simply be more incidents like the Brooklyn kid with the gun. Citing one failure of the law isn't a compelling argument that the laws aren't working --again, just playing devil's advocate here.

old lady new shooter said:

A gun is also a self defense item.

But the link says NYC -- brass knuckles illegal, probably the knives are illegal, don't know about the pepper spray and stun guns.

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Weapons of any type are generally a no-go on K-12 school property. I'm sure there are some exceptions somewhere and the laws vary wildly, but for the most part, school districts across the board prohibit this if it's not already state law.

If they want to and need to keep guns out of school then stop them from getting in using Metal Detectors. Just like getting on a plan, going in to a court house etc etc.
Stationary detectors as well as wands. To bad so sad that some kid is offended.

So they found a gun and wrote an article that implied that they found 22 guns... .

-And what's the big deal about the money?
Kids can't have money at school?

Edit: Yeah, it was $30 K - the price of a fancy used car - or the annual lease on a New York apartment... .

Rule3 said:

If they want to and need to keep guns out of school then stop them from getting in using Metal Detectors. Just like getting on a plan, going in to a court house etc etc.
Stationary detectors as well as wands. To bad so sad that some kid is offended.

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Who's going to do all this though? That was my point.
The article says this is a high school with a thousand students. That's actually pretty small compared to what I'm used to out here. So just like getting on a plane or entering court, the screening procedure is labor intensive and time-consuming. How many non-weapon, everyday items set off metal detectors? Who's searching bags? Who's patting down kids (which is problematic for other reasons)? This isn't about offending people's sensitivities. It's about impracticality.

And once more, the gun which was discovered the day prior was spotted by an attendance clerk in the office, not a metal detector.

City officials placed a single metal detector in a Brooklyn school building and turned up 21 weapons in just one day,
The school, ......................Urban Assembly School for Law and Justice.....

Basura Blanca said:

Who's going to do all this though? That was my point.
The article says this is a high school with a thousand students. That's actually pretty small compared to what I'm used to out here. So just like getting on a plane or entering court, the screening procedure is labor intensive and time-consuming. How many non-weapon, everyday items set off metal detectors? Who's searching bags? Who's patting down kids (which is problematic for other reasons)? This isn't about offending people's sensitivities. It's about impracticality.

And once more, the gun which was discovered the day prior was spotted by an attendance clerk in the office, not a metal detector.

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The same people and money that was appropriated in this Act.
Every year our School Districts whine about money and then taxes go up so they can squander money on useless projects.
There are hundreds if not thousands of retired LEOS in Florida that would like something to do. I know a Chief that suggested such a thing, but nooo the schools would not have it. Instead we have two officers and vehicles sit at the schools all day.

The Parkland Kids went on a Country/World wide campaign after the shooting, Who financed all that.??

Thousands of people pass through the Post Offices that have metal detectors Install some in the schools.

A whole bunch of BS and what has been done? Not much.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/07026

I can't speak to Florida, but in general, there isn't enough staffing to cover the basics let alone an added layer that someone in charge thinks is brilliant but with no way to implement it. Stuff like this turns into the proverbial unfunded mandate which is why I'm guessing you saw resistance to it there. I get that because I see it elsewhere working for the schools.

It takes a ton of time to get kids onto campus under normal circumstances. Turning it into a TSA circus event wouldn't help the situation and again, the gun which turned up in the story above never went through a metal detector.

In 1974 a guy who had then graduated from a high school near the inner city of Kansas City MO told me about something we seldom heard about, in the outer areas such as Lee's Summit (my high school) .

Some kid from the Kansas City hood - even that many years ago - brought a handgun to school and fired a shot at somebody, which missed. No other info provided nor remembered from back then.

Basura Blanca:
It must be rather unpleasant now with security at many schools, wearing masks (which are basically useless - especially for young people) and concerns about kids with undiagnosed, major 'anti-social' problems.

Sorry teacher, multiple run-on sentence puts this below a B+ grade......much more suitable for "the AKfiles".

Based on some posts seen…it is wonderful we have a Fourth Amendment in our beloved nation.

If schools are such a safe place why do 21 students feel the need to protect themselves?