I want something and I don't know what I need.......

Super Colibri and CB caps are very capable subs for a .22 call air rifle.

I could have sworn I already replied to this thread, but it must have been another air-rifle thread. Anyway ...

Numrich is blowing these out -- I'm not sure if it's a discontinued model or just the previous generation. Anyway, this is a first-class springer. You could do a lot worse than a real, made-in-Germany Diana:

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/category/air-guns/diana-ag/350-magnum-177

What he said above. I forgot about these.

My only caveat is this a fairly light magnum class spring gun (I know that never ceases to sound silly to me too ) and it can be difficult to master. You need to learn the gun, the hold etc. If you go this route you will be getting a FANTASTIC gun but keep in mind it might frustrate you early on but it’s not the gun

One other thing. You will likely want to run heavier grain ammo in the 10 grain area. (I know this makes me chuckle too ) because lighter ammo may break the sound barrier and besides the annoying .22lr like crack accuracy suffers. A nice 10ish grain match pellet smooths things out nicely. Crosman also makes their Piranha .177 in 10.5 grain and those can usually be found locally.

lf you want a break barrel there are a ton of worse choices then the above.

A .20 Sheridan BlueStreak is my safari rifle.
But I'm a retrograde,

I have a couple single cock, spring powered air rifles in 177. Powerful enough to punch a pellet through a 3/4" pine board.....yet accurate enough to plink bottle caps at 50 yards. These are both Beeman guns, made in Germany. A Beeman HW97 or Air Arms TX200 are works of art that will wreak havoc on starlings......until they wise up and are on to you, which is about an hour after you open up on them.

The difficulty I had with both air rifles was getting the scopes to stay put. Eventually solved the problem with heavy one piece mount that has a pin that locks into the receiver to keep the mounts and scope from walking off the back.

viking499 said:

I still am not sure what I am looking for, but a friend of mine offered me his Crosman Quest 1000X, so I took it. Not sure if they are good or bad but I guess time will tell.

Anyone have any pros or cons for the Quest 1000X?

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PRO: The price was right

This thread couldn't come at a better time. I'm hunting for something better for backyard pest control as well. I bought a Crossman Vantage NP in a .177. But I have had nothing but difficulty with accuracy with it. even from a rest, the best I have managed is about 4-5 inches at 50 feet with more different pellets and weights than I care to list. That's just not enough to cut it with rabbits and squirrels. I researched the "springer" hold for it to boot when I learned I was holding it wrong. but that doesn't seem to have helped much either.

I need to find something I can rely on to be within at least an inch at 50-60 feet. Being inside city limits, limits my choices sadly otherwise I would just use my buckmark and be done with it.

The problem you are going to run in to besides the rifle is finding pellets that will perform within your specifications.
You are going to need to weigh every pellet and inspect each to build a matched set.
get a pellet seating tool to ensure every pellet is inserted to the exact same depth and aligned correctly.
Then you can worry about tuning the rifle to supply the exact pressure and volume of air every time.
You will probably end up spending big bucks on a match grade PCP rifle to be able to meet a 2 moa spec reliably.
A bolt action .22 with subsonic CB caps may be quieter and more accurate.
For urban pest control you will likely be better off resorting to traps unless your goal is really to do some backyard hunting.
Be aware that if a neighbor reports you for discharging in city limits and LEO responds you could lose your carry permit(s) and possibly your RTBA depending on how vigorously they want to pursue it. Make sure all your abutting neighbors are informed and approve. Weigh the risks.

Atavar said:

viking499 said:

Anyone have any pros or cons for the Quest 1000X?

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The problem you are going to run in to besides the rifle is finding pellets that will perform within your specifications.

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This was true for me.

I couldn't believe the difference in group size of various pellets, even for same brand and weight, that went from 1" at 25 yards to 3"+ just with change in nose profile from Hollow point, Domed, Wadcutter, Pointed, etc.

For me, Crosman Premier 7.9 gr Hollow Point pellets consistently produced smaller/smallest groups so I would suggest you use it as your accuracy reference to start out with.

And for your accuracy testing, take a quick look at the base/skirt of the pellets and use the ones that are round without dents/deformation. (I do believe they sell pellet base uniforming tools)

Look forward to your range report.

Atavar said:

The problem you are going to run in to besides the rifle is finding pellets that will perform within your specifications.
You are going to need to weigh every pellet and inspect each to build a matched set.
get a pellet seating tool to ensure every pellet is inserted to the exact same depth and aligned correctly.
Then you can worry about tuning the rifle to supply the exact pressure and volume of air every time.
You will probably end up spending big bucks on a match grade PCP rifle to be able to meet a 2 moa spec reliably.
A bolt action .22 with subsonic CB caps may be quieter and more accurate.
For urban pest control you will likely be better off resorting to traps unless your goal is really to do some backyard hunting.
Be aware that if a neighbor reports you for discharging in city limits and LEO responds you could lose your carry permit(s) and possibly your RTBA depending on how vigorously they want to pursue it. Make sure all your abutting neighbors are informed and approve. Weigh the risks.

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Just find a pellet or pellets that it likes and learn to shoot it. No muss no fuss barring a bad rifle. I mean this within its capabilities. 2 inches at a 100 yards is not spring gun territory.

As far as discharging, yes know your laws, it may very well be treated no differently then shooting a firearm.

Two things, in my opinion here:

1. Birds don't need a lot of power to kill, even at a decent range.

2. While more power is generally better with respect to range, there is one very important limit to consider around a farm/barn: you don't need to be punching holes in places where you shouldn't be punching holes.

I've had my share of shooting birds, mice, and sundry other critters on farms. I can't tell you how many critters I've killed with a simple Daisy Red Ryder BB gun. And what with a lot of them being in barns, knowing I'm not going to be punching holes through the sides of the barn or through the sheet metal roofs on the barn was an important consideration.

Mind you, you can still cause damage (like if the roof is fiberglass, for example...or around glass windows). You still have to be careful where you're shooting.

A new multi-pump Crosman Model 362 is supposed to be out by Christmas. It looks to be better than the 392/7 models to me as it has about the same power and you can customize it if you wish. A TKO muzzle brake can make it very quiet. Will sell for $99.99 per the Crosman web site.

viking499 said:

I still am not sure what I am looking for, but a friend of mine offered me his Crosman Quest 1000X, so I took it. Not sure if they are good or bad but I guess time will tell.

Anyone have any pros or cons for the Quest 1000X?

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.177 or .22?

Pros:
Every part is for this gun is available from Crosman for low cost.They have made
this basic gun in many versions. Nicer stocks and synthetic stocks are available.
Their shipping rate for small parts is low also; flat fee of $4. Parts diagrams
may be found on the Crosman website.

This gun is quite powerful, 850 to 900 feet per second with mid weight
pellets.

Cons:
Heavy, long trigger pull makes accuracy difficult.

There is a low cost"RC bearing mod" to improve the trigger.
There is an aftermarket trigger being sold by "Charlie da Tuna".
https://www.charliedatuna.com/

Accuracy may be only moderate even with pellets that it likes (1" at 20 yards).

If scoped, accuracy may be poor. These guns sometimes have inconsistent
barrel lock up that really shows up when scoped.

High quality scope rings made for airguns must be used to avoid slippage.

Make sure your stock screws are tight, check them frequently. If they loosen,
your accuracy will go down the drain. If they won't stay tight, loc-tite them.

Do not ever dry fire the gun or shoot extremely light non lead pellets. It will
batter or break internal parts.

Domed or domed hollow points are almost always best, accuracy wise.

This gun is the same as a Chinese B19; the b19 is a clone of the
Gamo 220 or 440.

These gun are at their best if torn down and properly lubed. There are many
sites that tell how.
Here's one:
http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2013/04/crosman-quest-1000-overhaul.html

Everything he said above.
Buy the CDT trigger. Not only is it a great, fairly inexpensive upgrade you are helping out a really nice lady.