More NRA shenanigans

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The article seems to be saying that the NRA took in money from various sources and spent it on lobbyists. It also took a shot at Wayne La P. Okay.

Edit: This from someone who has been on the forum 11 days.

Tim
 
Wow. If they keep it up, maybe they will actually get somewhere.

Ive said all a long that they should sell off all those high dollar offices, and get rid of the high dollar salaried people, and take the money and buy the votes needed in DC and other places to get things done. Sounds like they might be catching on. :)

Then again, maybe its just a new tact to appear to be changing so the money keeps flowing.

I quit them almost 40 years ago now when they let the machine gun ban go without batting an eye, and have done nothing since. I still see them in the same light as the politicians, and they both need all the same constant drama to keep the money flowing in. If they actually got something done, it would all stop, and that's not good for the power machine and old bank accounts. ;)
 
Not really defending NRA (although I think it is in our best interest to do so) because I am not in a position to know what exactly is happening at the NRA headquarters, but consider the source of the reporting and their agenda. Opensource is funded by a lot of left leaning organizations like the Joyce Foundation and the Open Society Foundation (who gets funding from George Soros). I also suspect that the Attorneys General of NY and DC are pushing an agenda.
I also agree with MCB that there needs to a new leadership structure at the NRA headquarters.
 
TimRB said:
The article seems to be saying that the NRA took in money from various sources and spent it on lobbyists. It also took a shot at Wayne La P. Okay.

Edit: This from someone who has been on the forum 11 days.

Tim
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Saying that the NRA took money from various sources and spent it on lobbyists makes it sound like what the NRA was doing was a good thing, but that is NOT what the article was saying. The article was saying the NRA illegally took funds from charities and used the money on lobbying and other activities.

How long a person has been on the forum has nothing to do with the authenticity of the information.

NorthBorder said:
Not really defending NRA (although I think it is in our best interest to do so) because I am not in a position to know what exactly is happening at the NRA headquarters, but consider the source of the reporting and their agenda. Opensource is funded by a lot of left leaning organizations like the Joyce Foundation and the Open Society Foundation (who gets funding from George Soros). I also suspect that the Attorneys General of NY and DC are pushing an agenda.
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You may not like their agenda in reporting the information and I get that, but can you show where the information is in error. Just because the source isn't from our side doesn't de facto make it wrong.

Nobody likes it when the opposition talks trash, but like it even less when the trash is factual, right?
 
Double Naught Spy said:
Saying that the NRA took money from various sources and spent it on lobbyists makes it sound like what the NRA was doing was a good thing, but that is NOT what the article was saying. The article was saying the NRA illegally took funds from charities and used the money on lobbying and other activities.

How long a person has been on the forum has nothing to do with the authenticity of the information.



You may not like their agenda in reporting the information and I get that, but can you show where the information is in error. Just because the source isn't from our side doesn't de facto make it wrong.

Nobody likes it when the opposition talks trash, but like it even less when the trash is factual, right?
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You can never really know nowadays whether it's factual or not. I do not believe you can show me were their info is valid or invalid.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
Nobody likes it when the opposition talks trash, but like it even less when the trash is factual, right?
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Possibly...
But most our representatives don't seem to listen to any of us... yet they end up mostly voting the way we want them to, sometimes our representatives need some space to get the job done correctly, beyond things we see from our end.
Dealing with lobbyists and government officials is a slippery slope most of us would not want to engage in...
 
Given the number of negative things we know that are factual about NRA leadership and their actions I am more inclined to believe this article than not. The NRA leadership has betrayed the trust of the membership in their misuse of member fund and this has been fairly well supported with evidence. This article is just an extension of that misuse of funding we have seen repeatedly from the NRA leadership. It's not hard to believe when it falls in line with previous bad behavior. At this point it takes willfull effort to ignore the bad actions of the current NRA leadership.

With friends liked the NRA the second amendment community doesn't need enemies, but we have lots. It's a sorry place to be when your champion turns bad...
 
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You can see the same story line on almost all organizations that were founded with noble goals and good intentions, such as the Red Cross, The Salvation Army (Which went woke this year, sadly), the NFIB, and the AARP. But they soon become bureaucracies whose only goal is funding themselves for the coming year. Too bad this one involves the potential to destroy what President Reagan called "the shining city on the hill."
 
Steel Horse Rider said:
You can see the same story line on almost all organizations that were founded with noble goals and good intentions, such as the Red Cross, The Salvation Army (Which went woke this year, sadly), the NFIB, and the AARP. But they soon become bureaucracies whose only goal is funding themselves for the coming year. Too bad this one involves the potential to destroy what President Reagan called "the shining city on the hill."
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The same class of people work their way into a position of leadership and turn the direction of the organization into something that will personally benefit them. Seen that a couple of times already.

The American Battlefield Trust (formerly Civil War Preservation Trust) is one of the few that doesn't. They have a 99% rating and are very consciencious of their mission. But given time it can happen to them with the wrong selfish person at the helm.
 
NRA is what it is. You may not like everything or much if anything they do but if you're against them you're in the wrong side of things. I don't like the leadership but if you can do better, go do it.

As for me, I'll support the NRA and any others I see fit. We need all the help we can get and the NRA is the big one .
 
Styx said:
You can never really know nowadays whether it's factual or not. I do not believe you can show me were their info is valid or invalid.
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I am just simply pointing out claims of invalidity because folks don't like how long a poster has been with the forum or the source of the information are just as invalid without actually assessing the information.

In other words, taking the ad hominem position of attacking the messengers when one doesn't like the message is nothing but a logic fallacy.

Factual? There are certainly several ugly facts in the article concerning the NRA. Nobody likes stuff like that thrown in their face.
 
The NRA as a nonprofit gun owner association testified against Joseph B. Tidings national gun registration bill.
It failed to pass.
When LBJ signed the 1968 GCA, he was miffed that it did not include federal registration of all firearms.
Some Congressman asked the FBI to investigate NRA as an unregistered lobby. Jacob Javitts and Thomas Dodd said it wasn't them.
NRA decided the only way to save NRA was to form a separate lobbying arm and registered it Dec 1968. The lobby arm is blamed by Joseph Tydings for his loss in his 1970 run for re-election.

The funds for the lobby arm should be separate from the funds of the nonprofit association.

I remember Handgun Control Inc grossly misrepresented what Leroy Pyle said in order to attack the NRA. One reason I made a point to rejoin NRA and always find the money to renew.

I would like a better source than gun control partisans for claims that NRA spent charitable funds on lobbying.

The lies against NRA over the decades by gun control partisans are legion.
 
In my experience, the best outfits that were started up with great goals and did good things... over time begin to make decisions that benefit first the organization itself - then the folks who run it... This goes for unions, and every other outfit that initially started with high ideals and were doing work that needed to be done...

Keeping a close eye on them and taking corrective action when needed is the only way to keep most of them on the straight and narrow (a good bad example are all of our institutions at the national level - and all the way down to the grassroots..). When I was a young cop I was very grateful to have a union to stand by me if I'd angered folks in power... As an old cop I learned the hard way that unions don't exactly have their membership's best interests - all too often - and that's just one example of how things go astray...
 
I've looked over the NRA website and I can't find a list of the board of directors. Does anyone have a link. Right now I really don't know of any second amendment organization powerful enough to fight the anti-gun lobbies.
 
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Thank you Craig_VA, not sure why they don't put the leadership in their pulldown menu like most companies do. The minutes really provided the info I was looking for. I really need to be more involved than just paying my dues.
 
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