Some folks think they have the right to shoot any animal on their property.

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We don’t have wolves , but the landowner can trap or shoot problem animals all year long in VA . He still has to call it in . It doesn’t apply to protected species , like hawks and eagles .
 
There was a time in America when bounties were placed on wolves because folks thought them evil.
No. Other than a few children, no one ever thought that.

They knew for a fact that the wolves were living off their cattle, and were occasionally a threat to barnyard animals especially in hard winters. Additionally wolves are apex predators, and while you are incomparably smarter, you should be scared of their physical strength, just like a German shepherd you don't know.

In a frontier environment, that's enough for me!

Dog kills duck, duck owner shoots dog dead.
That sounds way more like Florida Man, but I guess there's a couple in Massachusetts too.
 
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In the real world, may I lawfully kill any wolf on my property just because I think wolves are scary?
There was a time in America when bounties were placed on wolves because folks thought them evil.

We have livestock woth +7k per each for a total of +49k , if your dog tries to make it in the paddock it's going down, AND it's 100% legal for me to do. I'm not about to mess around trying to scare away a dog that could be ill behaved. Keep your dog under control and it won't be a problem....unless you'd like to shell out +7k per animal....sure they're insured but I'd rather not have to get a new one because they're hard to get and getting even harder.

A s for things with seasons...shoot them within the season, that's my philosophy.

As for wolves, the above still applies. If it's a threat to my livestock and I can prove it (not anecdotal evidence like it happened to be in the area, but like camera or eyeball witness) I'll shoot it, otherwise, it's an animal like any other. If it's not attacking me or my livestock I'll leave it alone. It's just doing it's own thing. I think a lot of people like to assume what an did or did not do just because they don't agree with it being there and/or want to shoot it. There are plenty of wolves that DONT go after livestock so killing one for just existing is....odd to me. And borderline unethical.
 
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Probably the odd man out but, I believe a man should be able to kill any non-endangered animal he wants on his on property, when ever he wants as well.

I am absolutely aware that is not the case and never will be, nor do I believe we “have the right” to.
 
What's "heat?" A combination of "hate" and "eat?":D
We don't have many squirrels around here, but from what I've heard they can be real pests. I've never eaten squirrel either. I've heard it's good though.:thumbup:
You got me.:mad: I need to proofread more often:feet:
Squirrel can be some good eating. I always liked them in a stew. My mom is 82 and loves to eat squirrels too.
We don’t have wolves in Louisiana. If we had them years ago, they must of been pretty tasty and were all killed and eaten.:D
 
I HAVE lost calves, foals, lambs, chickens to coyotes and feral dogs (dumped because some POS didn't want them). I will shoot every one of them sight. Dumped dog needs food and home. It gets fed and rehomed. Not friendly and attacks stock. Dirt rest.
Snakes, possums, raccoons, skunks IN the chicken coop. DRT!

Livestock represents a lot of $$$$. My stock is well taken care of and protected.
 
My brother lives in Melville Louisiana, which is mostly farmer’s and cows. A few years back they had a big problem with feral dogs. People would drive out to the country to drop off their unwanted dogs. There were several packs of six or more feral dogs in the area. Farmers in the area were loosing calves every week.
They ended up having a Town hall meeting about the problem. The solution was to kill all feral dogs on sight. They mailed out flyers that all loose dogs, outside of the city limits would be shot on sight it they weren’t wearing a bright orange collar. They raised the money to buy the bright orange dog collars and gave them out for free.
After a month they started killing all dogs without orange collars. I was with my brother on a rabbit hunt when we spotted two dogs in the field, without orange collars. I killed one and my brother, the other.
Within three months there was no longer a problem with feral dogs in the area.
 
IMG_0314.JPG I wouldn't have shot a Neighbors Dog no matter what. Feral Dog's are another matter. I have yet to see one in over forty years of Hunting and Hiking. I found two stray's with collars on and managed to find the Owners who were in tears when they picked up their Dog's. Think about that before you shoot someone's Pet.
 
They have killed Hunting Dogs that were running free without their owner. To this I say "Your letting your $3,000.00 Dog run loose when you know there are Wolves around?"

My brother and his friends run coyotes and bobcats with their hounds in Northern Wisconsin. Several of their dogs were trailed and killed by wolves.

Just because the owner/hunter hasn't caught up to his dogs yet does NOT mean they are letting them run free. You are obviously not knowledgeable about hound hunting.
 
View attachment 1063185 I wouldn't have shot a Neighbors Dog no matter what. Feral Dog's are another matter. I have yet to see one in over forty years of Hunting and Hiking. I found two stray's with collars on and managed to find the Owners who were in tears when they picked up their Dog's. Think about that before you shoot someone's Pet.
Agree 100%. Feral dogs killing livestock is one thing. Pets are different. Guys on a local group brag about shooting dogs running deer or messing up their hunt. My dog doesn’t go in the woods but if she did and someone killed her I’d beat them so badly they wouldn’t be able to walk out of the woods. You gotta be a real POS to kill a companion animal.
 
My brother and his friends run coyotes and bobcats with their hounds in Northern Wisconsin. Several of their dogs were trailed and killed by wolves.

Just because the owner/hunter hasn't caught up to his dogs yet does NOT mean they are letting them run free. You are obviously not knowledgeable about hound hunting.
Your right, I'm not. I do know that a DNR Officer told me that the majority of Dog's killed by Wolves are running free with no Human supervision at all. She had never heard of a Dog killed by Wolves when the owner was near or even in hearing distance.
 
"Just because I think wolves are scary?" I wouldn't know about that. Do you think you should be lawfully able to kill a wolf that is destroying your property? By "property" I mean cattle.
The farm that I hunt raises registered Angus and Charolais, high-dollar items. They sold one bull for $40,000 a few years back. I was given orders to shoot every dog, coyote, or hog that I see. Last year we had 2 dogs chasing cattle and spooked the cows so badly that they would not go back to the creek bottom pasture. They stayed along the fence behind the barn for 3 or 4 days. I drove them back to the bottom and 2 hours later they were back at the barn. BTW, the dogs didn't make it home.
 
Pets don't run in packs of 6+, chasing livestock.


I was duck hunting a place 16 miles east of town. Just past noon, we pick up decoys to go home. Walking to my Jeep, I see a dog crouched in the ditch. Call my dog. Alert others to watch out.

Dog stays crouched in the ditch. We load everything up and the dog gets up. Looks at is and trots over. I can see a collar. Dog hops into back of Jeep.

I look at the tag. Owner name and phone#. I know this name. Call him. He is sitting at my house when we get there. Says he was running raccoons 2 weeks ago, 20 miles SW of town, along the river. Lost 1 dog. Not sure if he or the dog was happier.
 
My brother and his friends run coyotes and bobcats with their hounds in Northern Wisconsin. Several of their dogs were trailed and killed by wolves.

.....and odds are, they were paid quite handsomely for them. Wisconsin has a very generous depredation program, up to $2500 per dog. Most houndsmen I know, know very well of the risk they take by running their hounds in wolf territory. The state informs hunters of den areas and core areas that are the most at risk to hunting dogs. This is not a new thing. Dog owners running their dogs in these areas are the ones most responsible for their dogs being attacked, not the wolves. Just like the risk of getting hit when running across a highway....or a collar getting hung up and never finding the dog(was more of a risk before GPS collars), or having a dog get caught in a conibear or foot hold trap. Play with fire and sometimes you get burnt. Just the cost of doing business.

I run across wolf tracks while out bird hunting, my bird dogs, while never seeing a wolf in person, definitely know what they smell like and definitely show signs of being very frightened and aware when they cross wolf scent. I generally don't have to worry about them getting out of eyesight once they get the scent.

Just because the owner/hunter hasn't caught up to his dogs yet does NOT mean they are letting them run free. You are obviously not knowledgeable about hound hunting.

Of course they are running "free". Unless they are tethered or leashed, they are by definition, running free. With the popularity of the new GPS collars, houndsmen are letting their dogs run farther from them. No longer do they need to keep them within earshot to keep track of them. They no longer follow them on foot, but drive the roads for the most part and intercept them as they cross. Sometimes it's snowmobiles and trails. I don;t have an issue with houndsmen, and am very aware they get a bad rap from folks that have never used hounds. Doesn't matter if it's raccoon, coyotes, bobcats, cougars, bear, wolf or even deer. If it's legal and they are following the law, then go for it. But only the inexperienced or the very naive won't realize the risk they run to their dog while doing any.
 
When it comes to coyotes I'm kind and forgiving.
But if they get in my chickens they are tired of living.

In Indiana if a dog is "worrying" livestock the owner of the livestock or his assigns have the privilege to destroy that animal and receive compensation for any losses. Unfortunately that does not apply to coyotes, bobcats or any creature "owned" by the state.
 
Just happened this week in MA. Dog kills duck, duck owner shoots dog dead.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/police...lled-while-attacking-neighbors-duck/39264632#
While unfortunate, it is understandable and I agree with the shooter. The dogs had attacked the ducks in the past and the dog owners had been warned that the ducks would be defended (not that a warning should even be expected). Why did the shooter deny shooting the dog? Look at the news story. It appears that the shooter acted within the law, but he still has to deal with reporters and an investigation by two government agencies.
 
While unfortunate, it is understandable and I agree with the shooter. The dogs had attacked the ducks in the past and the dog owners had been warned that the ducks would be defended (not that a warning should even be expected). Why did the shooter deny shooting the dog? Look at the news story. It appears that the shooter acted within the law, but he still has to deal with reporters and an investigation by two government agencies.

He did not act within the law. To have acted within the law (in Indiana) he would be required to notify the local trustee and fill out paper describing the incident and the estimated value of the duck. It's just one of the many instances where it's not who is right or who is wrong but who notifies the authorities first.
 
He did not act within the law. To have acted within the law (in Indiana) he would be required to notify the local trustee and fill out paper describing the incident and the estimated value of the duck. It's just one of the many instances where it's not who is right or who is wrong but who notifies the authorities first.

It's unfortunate but that is what the authorities are going to hang the shooter with. He didn't follow the law and inform them of the shooting right away. Plus he buried the dog without telling anyone. Due to that I think he's screwed.
 
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