Bought an antique1873 Winchester.

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Yup, if you happened to read the thread here:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/opinions-on-1873-winchester.907726/
You'll know I found this, made an offer, was rejected, and thought nothing more of it.
Well, the LGS called me back and made a counter offer of $600 OTD, and since I now have the disposable income, I went ahead and picked it up.

I know very little about these other than its reputation and that this is probably the best looking lever gun ever made in my opinion.

After running some patches through the bore, and running the action a number of times, the bore looks a little better than I thought and the action smoothed out. There is still a lot of funkiness going on in the bore though, I don't think its ringed but there are some strange marks. Yea the "crown" sucks, and the dust cover wobbles around and doesn't track back and forth with the bolt. I don't know if its supposed to though .

I do know it is an 1895-made Winchester 1873, I think its a 3rd variant, it doesn't appear to be missing parts and overall it has a cut barrel and no collectors value. I think I did Ok. I'm happy, anyways.

I have no idea what is going on with the rear sight. It looks like it had an extra notch machined out on one side of the regular notch. Any Ideas? The front sight looks to be a replacement and I think its plastic, I don't think its ivory but it might be.

Now I need to decide what to do with it. I guess I need to decide if I want to keep it as is, reline the barrel and refresh the action, or go so far as to have it moderately restored.

Can anybody point me to a good resource so I can learn how to determine if the gun is safe to shoot or not, and if it has any timing issues? I guess I need to source some snap caps so I can start checking the action.

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My first thought is to clean and lube it, find some ammo and shoot it. That crown may need to be addressed to hit a 50 yd target. Enjoy it for what it is. I wouldn't spend much more money on it.
 
There's definitely a rat-rod vibe. I've seen far worse finishes on otherwise fully-functional rifles.

Careful removal of the wood is a good idea on rifles of this age, to check for pitting under the stock. Deep pitting could DQ the barrel for shooting, but my gut says you should be OK.

Taking the forend off of this sort of rifle is non-trivial so do your homework on YouTube etc. first before attempting. If you know a willing and reliable gunsmith, it's the kind of job I'd leave to a pro if I could.

Mark Novak at Anvil is a good resource for old gun maintenance:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM86hA7E1y3vOJuzdqCXh1Q

Maybe start with some action dummies and see whether the feed mechanism is fully functional before making any other decisions?
https://www.amazon.com/Zoom-Revolver-Snap-Caps-Winchester/dp/B0053WU4YC

If you decide to try shooting it, try a few single-loaded target hollow-base wadcutter handloads at modest velocities. They'll be too short to feed through the magazine, but tend to stabilize through even the roughest bores.

The muzzle would benefit from a light chamfering at some point, but I'd wait. I'm generally in the leave it as is camp these days.
 
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might be worth finding a winchester gunsmith to go over it and do a bit of refirb on it, clean it inside and out. I bet a lot of that uneven looking metal will smooth out after many cleanings, or some strategic use of 0000 steel wool, will really clean that up and the finish will deepen down and smooth out a bit. take the wood off it and hose the metal with CLP and just let it soften up whatever might be in there for goo/varnish etc. let it drip out and use a brass brush or whatever, and spray the excess out with canned air. you'll probably have to stretch the mag spring out by hand or replace. I've done a couple old winchesters and I just by hand, stretch that mag spring out a bit more, clean out the tube with a rod/patch. heat the wood up at the grip and see if oil comes out of it. Look for anywhere oil could have soaked into the wood, and heating it with a blow dryer will get most of it to seep out the end of the grain. eventually, the oil will cause the wood to split or chip. clean and put a coat of ren wax on the wood, completely seal it, if you are sure there is not oil in there. I have a 49 winchester 62a, and every year I heat up the wood and a touch of oil rises to the surface. There's a bit of a bulge there, and over time, I just want that oil out of there and then I'll wax that part it too. I also store them barrel facing down, so - oil in the action does not run down into the stock, eventually oil sitting on the wood will soak in and cause problems, probably the root of a lot of old stocks getting cracked is my guess. very cool old winchester you have there, probably about the coolest model, and a real old one to boot. you got a good deal IMHO.

just an out of the box idea. that firearm is still made, so - I wonder if you could just have someone drop a new barrel on it for cheap, then you have no worries about shooting the barrel, and just keep the original one stored well, if you ever want to sell it.
 
Glad you got it! Only the last few inches of barrel really matter for accuracy. I see plenty of rifling left. Chamfer the crown, lube up the action, and test function with dummy rounds. Then let 'er rip!

My 1890 mfg '73 dust cover does not cycle with the lever. If it is closed though, the first lever throw should slide the cover back.
 
My 1890 mfg '73 dust cover does not cycle with the lever. If it is closed though, the first lever throw should slide the cover back.

My 1890 vintage 1873 (32-20) and Miroku Winchester 1873 (357 Magnum) also only opens the dust shield if closed when cycling the action. The shooter must manually close the cover if he wants it closed.
 
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My 1890 vintage 1873 (32-20) and Mikoru Winchester 1873 (357 Magnum) also only opens the dust shield if closed when cycling the action. The shooter must manually close the cover if he wants it closed.

Do your dust covers have any play when closed? This one flops around quit a bit when closed and I'm thinking I need to look for a retention spring or something that needs replacement
 
I recently sold a '73 made in 1889 in .38-40. It didn't have near as good rifling as yours appears to have, but still shot fine, no keyholing. I reloaded for it, factory ammo prices are crazy, got nicely lubed projectiles from Missouri Bullets

The side plates just unscrew off, nothing will fall out. The inside action parts, the toggles, are also easily removable for cleaning and lubrication. Same for the brass riser, it's a pretty simple action.

I was always amazed at how thin and delicate looking the actual bolt is. As mentioned, the dust cover stays closed until the action is worked, then it is opened, but stays opened until manually closed.

Good luck with your new gun!
 
Do your dust covers have any play when closed? This one flops around quit a bit when closed and I'm thinking I need to look for a retention spring or something that needs replacement
On my original 1873, the end of dust cover at the breech does move back and forth a bit, maybe 1/32-1/16 of an inch. It does not move on its own but easily moves when I move it with a finger or thumb.

The dust cover on the Miroku 1873 has no play in it.

Looking at a parts diagram of an 1873, when the dust cover is closed, only a small part of it engages the guide rails. Over the years of use, I could see that area would get more wear and loosen the fit of the dust cover. One would need to disassemble the dust cover to discover the exact reason.
 
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i hunt my 1873 in 38-40, no deer yet, but i have with my 92 winchester in 38-40 and md 53 in 44-40. a cast lead bullet at 1300 fps thru the lungs broadside out to 100 yards kills them.
 

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I used to shoot a lot of Cowboy Action and there were quite a few good ‘smiths out there that worked on 1973s.

Here is a list of Cowboy Gunsmiths from the SASS Wire. I am sure making a few calls will get you directed to someone that can help you.
https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/topic/327626-cowboy-gunsmiths/

This thread I linked is from this year.

Good luck and I hope you find someone to get your ‘73 running nice. :thumbup:
 
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