thinking about getting a Tokarev: CZ52 or M57?

Handshaker said:
There's also a flip side to this, its called human greed. If a combloc countries paid 50 bucks to build a pistol and can sell them to Americans for 500, I'm sure whatever it is will end up on our shore. I have been in many debates on AK vs AR, I have both and see each has their own merit. SO I may get a CZ if i find the right deal.
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The importers thirty years ago were getting those guns for less than $30 a pop, not $500. They were selling selling them for $99-120 . The Czechs lost money on the deal.
 
I don't really hate on any guns, unless its a low point, I mean high point, lol. If apes were to take over the earth, they may become desirable. Even Hickok45 pinches his nose when shooting one....
 
tark said:
The importers thirty years ago were getting those guns for less than $30 a pop, not $500. They were selling selling them for $99-120 . The Czechs lost money on the deal.
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What i said was they probably cost 50 when they manufactured them originally. Yes and my Plymouth Cuda cost 3k in 1970. Have you Czeched how much that is today. $120 Dollars in 1990 is $257 today. But guns have inflated much higher than most other consumer products. This is a handy tool. https://westegg.com/inflation
 
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I have 6 different 7.62x25 pistols, but not a single CZ52. I hate them and consider them a failed design. Any TT variation is preferable, but my favorite shooter is a Yugo M57. That bit of extra grip is a good feature. Do your research. You will never find a Kaboom with a TT, but the CZs have a weak point at the rollers, and have a failure history. They also have uncomfortable grips and very crappy triggers.
 
jonnyc said:
I have 6 different 7.62x25 pistols, but not a single CZ52. I hate them and consider them a failed design. Any TT variation is preferable, but my favorite shooter is a Yugo M57. That bit of extra grip is a good feature. Do your research. You will never find a Kaboom with a TT, but the CZs have a weak point at the rollers, and have a failure history. They also have uncomfortable grips and very crappy triggers.
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Are all 6 tokarev variants?
 
Handshaker said:
Even Hickok45 pinches his nose when shooting one....
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Yeah...and in one of his videos he tries to close the cover on an M-60 with the bolt in the forward position. He's lucky he didn't break the damn thing. Hickock 45 is a nice guy who makes entertaining videos but I don't think he is all that knowledgeable about guns.
 
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Btw, Handshaker, what are we looking at in your avatar? Lol. They kind of look like bananas but I don't think they are...
 
IMG_0781.JPG I'm a very big fan of CZ's, from the Kadet Kit .22 to the .45 97b. I have experienced the de-cocker firing of the CZ 52. It was chronic in the one I had. Scary as hell, luckily the gun was pointed down range when it happened. Be aware of this. I had a gunsmith check it and he said he could fix it or give me a $300.00 credit to buy another gun. I took the credit. I still have a "Civilian" CZ 52 in 9MM and this has never shown the drop the hammer and it fires no problem but I'm careful with it. I have a Yugoslavian Tokarev in 7.62 X 25 also and it's a nice gun. I took it along to a LEOSA Qualification Shoot and we tested it on some out of date body armor, The Tokarev put a nice hole through both the front an back panels and appeared to be still going strong by the dust it raised on the berm.
 
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Terry G said:
View attachment 1092568 I'm a very big fan of CZ's, from the Kadet Kit .22 to the .45 97b. I have experienced the de-cocker firing of the CZ 52. It was chronic in the one I had. Scary as hell, luckily the gun was pointed down range when it happened. Be aware of this. I had a gunsmith check it and he said he could fix it or give me a $300.00 credit to buy another gun. I took the credit. I still have a "Civilian" CZ 52 in 9MM and this has never shown the drop the hammer and it fires problem but I'm careful with it. I have a Yugoslavian Tokarev in 7.62 X 25 also and it's a nice gun. I took it along to a LEOSA Qualification Shoot and we tested it on some out of date body armor, The Tokarev put a nice hole through both the front an back panels and appeared to be still going strong by the dust it raised on the berm.
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"The Czech's say". "Hey lets send these defective guns to stupid Americans" lol
 
Handshaker said:
I'm not all that worried about the firing pin, i dont think it breaks unless you dry fire it, which i never do. Now I'm even more confused which to buy, lol. If i could get my hands on a new chrome m57a, i would get that but i called zastava last week and they said they have been asking for them but have no eta if or when they will get some.
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I've been waiting for a chrome M57 and I will continue to do so until one comes in again.
 
I finally shot the Tok today, all I can say is I'm in love with 7.62x25 now. It ran like a sewing machine. I did get quite a few hot cases ejected down my shirt which wasn't fun but its a blast. I also upgraded to a chrome lined barrel and am preserving the original barrel. I can wait to shoot my PPS-43C. I am also on the lookout for a CZ52.
 
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Oh Goodie....Tokarev is one of my favorite designs. Love to talk some Toks. I own both but as Tark has stated the Tokarev is by far the better of the two. CZs are interesting pistols and accurate though. Not all Tokarevs are equal. Some are great... some are pretty sloppy. The Commercial Zastavas look really nice but dont have the greatest fitting (often zero fitting). I have had to rework (and even sometimes rebuild) all of mine except one. The Radoms are the best IMO but I dont get to handle a lot of Russians. Also depends on how much of a hurry they were in when making them. Chinese Tokarevs run the gambit quality wise as well.

The biggest shame is that these are really the only two pistols available in 7.62x25 in the USA. Its a great Cartridge. Maybe a name change would help. Call it "8mm Automag" or something.

I would even just be happy with some aftermarket hard fit, match grade barrels for Tokarevs. The pistols cant really bring out the accuracy potential of the cartridge.

Careful with the CZs. I wont run anything HOT through mine. They have a very thin area in the chamber due to the design. I never use the decocker either. Treat them with care and they hold up well enough though.

After RIA introduced the 1911 in 22wmr pistols I had hopes they would do something similar with the 7.62x25 but I am still waiting.

Tokarevs are nice in 9mm as well BTW. I shoot my 9mm toks a lot. 38 Super is pretty decent as well but I had to do a bit of work to get my build dialed in where I liked it. They are best in 7.62x25 and 9mm IMO.
 
I don't know why the US Manufacturers haven't made any guns in this caliber, its awesome. I have seen 1911 conversions but it would be nice if Ruger or Springfield made a Tok 1911 or even a glock.
 
Handshaker said:
I don't know why the US Manufacturers haven't made any guns in this caliber, its awesome. I have seen 1911 conversions but it would be nice if Ruger or Springfield made a Tok 1911 or even a glock.
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Its a little involved because it needs a longer frame and new Magazine design but its certinly doable. The RIA 22wmr frames might be long enough so there is a chance. Problem is its looked at as some sort of obscure cartridge but there are a whole lot of Tokarevs floating around out there, not just the USA but all over the world. It always seemed kind of silly to me that people were so obsessed with 22wmr, 30 Super. 5.7 pistols etc. If anyone wants a mini magnum with extreme penetration the cartridge has exhisted for almost 100 years now. Yet we still really only have 1 option...the Tokarev. As much as I like the CZ52 there are limits to that design.

What I would really like is to see a 7.62x25mm fixed barrel pistol that runs off a gas delay. Kind of wish CZ would have taken that route instead of the rollers. A Steyr GB in 7.62x25 would be pretty phenominal IMO.

Actually though... Im not sure Gas delayed even exhisted in pistols when the CZ52 was designed. Hmmmm. Maybe someone here knows? Was the Steyr the first mass produced Gas delayed pistol in 1968? HK P7 was 76 I think.
 
Ya I Don't get the 57 craze, its not a different enough caliber for me to want or buy one. And the ammo is very expensive, which is a deal killer for me.
 
Handshaker said:
I don't know why the US Manufacturers haven't made any guns in this caliber, its awesome. I have seen 1911 conversions but it would be nice if Ruger or Springfield made a Tok 1911 or even a glock.
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The problem with 1911s is the length of the round. Its magazines are just a tad too long to fit in a standard dimension 1911 frame. Les' frames have probably the thickest front straps in the industry. They could easily be machined to remove enough of the front strap to accommodate 7.62X25 mags.

I approached Les about this, and he gave me the mother of all stink eyes, uttered an obscenity and walked away. Something about "Commie crap"
 
tark said:
The problem with 1911s is the length of the round. Its magazines are just a tad too long to fit in a standard dimension 1911 frame. Les' frames have probably the thickest front straps in the industry. They could easily be machined to remove enough of the front strap to accommodate 7.62X25 mags.

I approached Les about this, and he gave me the mother of all stink eyes, uttered an obscenity and walked away. Something about "Commie crap"
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HaHa.....Yeah thats about the typical response people have to the Tokarev or the 7.62x25
 
A few years ago, while googling for Tokarev info, I was led to some Pakistani gun owners forum. The most devoted 1911 fan in this country has nothing on those guys and their Tokarevs. They revere them. Pics of custom Tok’s, engraved Tok’s, combat stories, and discussion of different makers.
The first Tokarev I owned was a battered and pitted Chinese made 1966 Vietnam bring back that somebody parkarized pitting and all. The bore? You could see rifling…rifling that saw a lot of corrosive ammo and not much cleaning.
Still, that pistol worked perfectly. Pretty accurate, too. In those days, there was a lot of cheap Chinese steel case, copper washed ammo. The muzzle flash at the indoor range was big and bright, lol…impressive.
 
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