1873 Varient from Meroku

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Not much black powder cartridge posted here so I thought I'd report on my first outing with my latest acquisition (sorry, no pictures yet).

I stumbled across a like new (didn't appear to have been fired) in the box Winchester (Meroku) 1873 short rifle (20") chambered for the correct 44 WCF cartridge. What is interesting about this gun is it came with a round barrel, which was standard on the original 1873. To get the more popular octagon barrel it had to be ordered and at extra cost. This was the first new production '73 rifle I had seen with the round barrel from Winchester/Meroku.

Back in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when I was active in CAS I had an original 1873 that had a round barrel in the none standard length of 28". Being younger, stronger, and with better eyesight back then I could shoot that thing like a sniper rifle. On more than one occasion I made multiple standing hits on a 20" square plate at 200 yards with my black powder loads.

Back to this round barrel rifle, it is a bit heavier than my Saddle Ring Carbine but even in my dotage I can still hold it off-hand for a few rounds (about five) before giving out. Monday of this week I got out to the range and was lucky to get one of the 50 yard shooting bays where I set up a 12" plate at 25 yards to get a rough idea where the sights were pointed. Initially it was shooting low but a couple adjustments in elevation started putting my 200g 1-20 alloy bullets ahead of 36g FFg in the middle. At 50 yards, where I had a 10" steel round target I was getting consistent hits as long as I did my part with sighting and trigger control. Admittedly I had a bit more trouble hitting off hand at 50 yards (dang I hate getting old) but if I leaned against something for a bit more stability the hits became more frequent.

During the shooting session of 25-30 rounds I would pause after every five shots and blow down the barrel to soften the fouling. With the last round I left the fired case in the chamber and ran a couple soapy patches, then a dry patch down the bore. I had a full schedule for that afternoon and knew I would not get back to the rifle until sometime on Tuesday so I followed the dry patch with one soaked with Balistol. The next day the bore was clean and bright but to make sure I got the chamber clean I went through the process again, this time pulling the patches out of the opened action.

I had thought the Winchester/Maroku SRC was going to be my favorite 1873 but this round barreled Short Rifle might just take it's place, or at least it will be a toss up which one goes to the range the next time.

Dave
 
my original 73 in 38-40 does not get shot much these days, but my 53 in 44-40 gets alot of use. a 200 gr bullet at 1600 fps thru both lungs at around a hundred yards or closer gets the job done.
 

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my original 73 in 38-40 does not get shot much these days, but my 53 in 44-40 gets alot of use. a 200 gr bullet at 1600 fps thru both lungs at around a hundred yards or closer gets the job done.
there was a Miroku 73 that showed up 1 week after I got my Uberti. Only $200 more, and super smooth everything and hand the Winchester name on it. I felt bad
 
I took a few pictures this morning but when I downloaded them to my computer it swallowed them whole and I can't locate them now. I hate computers but then I am an old geezer. LOL
Dave

They should have went to photos unless you specified them to go somewhere else.
 
Got to the range yesterday and shot my new round barrel 1873 short rifle. I put a steel plate out at 25 yards just to figure elevation and windage. Once it was hitting regularly when I held in the middle of the plate I reached out to a second 10" plate I had set up at 50 yards. When I could hold it steady enough to keep the sights aligned while I concentrated on the trigger I got regular hits at the longer distance. At my age I don't expect perfection and I had the occasional miss. Still it was a very satisfying first outing.

I took a few pictures this morning but when I downloaded them to my computer it swallowed them whole and I can't locate them now. I hate computers but then I am an old geezer. LOL

Dave
Me too, goat smellin things, they stash things where you can't find them, then you can't find a 6 year old kid to help figure out what it did with you stuff.
 
Finally found them, buried in the middle of pictures I took 10+ years ago. Why the computer put them there will remain one of the mysteries of my life.

Here's the round barrel Winchester 1873 short rifle by Maroku:

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The round barrel is a little heavier than my saddle ring carbine:

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The only thing I'm going to change on this rifle is to put a German Silver blade front sight on in place of the Marbles' gold bead. The blade sight is more traditional.

Dave
 
there was a Miroku 73 that showed up 1 week after I got my Uberti. Only $200 more, and super smooth everything and hand the Winchester name on it. I felt bad

Dont feel bad, the Uberti is as good of rifle and more authentic to the original Winchester so having the Winchester name on it means zilch.
 
Finally found them, buried in the middle of pictures I took 10+ years ago. Why the computer put them there will remain one of the mysteries of my life.

Here's the round barrel Winchester 1873 short rifle by Maroku:

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The round barrel is a little heavier than my saddle ring carbine:

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The only thing I'm going to change on this rifle is to put a German Silver blade front sight on in place of the Marbles' gold bead. The blade sight is more traditional.

Dave

I like the round barrel and blued receiver. I've orders some half round and blued receiver rifles from Cimarron to be more authentic to originals.

What is the barrel twist on a Miroku 44wcf? We have done a lot of comparing but that's one thing we never checked. I hate that Uberti in recent years has gone to the fast twist barrels in their 44wcf, in my experience they don't shoot longer ranges as well as the older 1-36 twist barrels.
 
I like the round barrel and blued receiver. I've orders some half round and blued receiver rifles from Cimarron to be more authentic to originals.

What is the barrel twist on a Miroku 44wcf? We have done a lot of comparing but that's one thing we never checked. I hate that Uberti in recent years has gone to the fast twist barrels in their 44wcf, in my experience they don't shoot longer ranges as well as the older 1-36 twist barrels.

Miroku doesn't say but from what I found it's 1:36. The bore size is .429.
 
hawg,

I'm shooting soft (1-20 alloy) .428" bullets in mine and both the short rifle pictured here and the saddle-ring carbine shoot better than I can hold. I suspect the soft alloy is upsetting to fill the groove diameter. This is all with black powder of course.

Cliff, since "...having the Winchester name on it means zilch." to you I suggest you don't buy a Maroku built Winchester. I kind of like it so I've bought three of them.

Dave
 
I hate that Uberti in recent years has gone to the fast twist barrels in their 44wcf, in my experience they don't shoot longer ranges as well as the older 1-36 twist barrels.

Bump your bullet weight to 240 grains. Uberti uses a 1:20 twist that works well for .44 magnums. I imagine they sell more of those than they do 44-40.
 
Bump your bullet weight to 240 grains. Uberti uses a 1:20 twist that works well for .44 magnums. I imagine they sell more of those than they do 44-40.
You know how slow that would be in a 44-40? No farther than that rainbow trajectory would shoot why would you need to worry about long range accuracy. I get what they do, they use the same tooling for 44 mag, spec, etc. which is why the modern 44-40 are also .429 bore instead of the correct .427.

The earlier Uberti guns, Navy Arms imports and such from years ago have the correct twist rate and are .427. I have three of those older rifles and they will out shoot current production ones.

I am using a custom bullet mold of 215 grains to try and match the current fast twist but the old guns will still shoot that bullet better as well.
 
hawg,

I'm shooting soft (1-20 alloy) .428" bullets in mine and both the short rifle pictured here and the saddle-ring carbine shoot better than I can hold. I suspect the soft alloy is upsetting to fill the groove diameter. This is all with black powder of course.

Cliff, since "...having the Winchester name on it means zilch." to you I suggest you don't buy a Maroku built Winchester. I kind of like it so I've bought three of them.

Dave
Glad you like them, Miroku makes fine guns. As to your suggestion I certainly won't, I have several original "real" Winchester 1873 so that name means nothing to me on a modern reproduction. To each his own I just prefer (and the disciplines I shoot in require) to have a reproduction that feels and handles like the originals and the Uberti fits that bill. Kudos to Miroku for getting the twist rate correct at least, I just felt it a shame they didn't get the action right. I've owned many Miroku built guns and had high hopes when the word came that these were being produced until we found they weren't authentic enough replica to use in our shooting disciplines. National Congress of Old West Shootists requires that guns be a fairly faithful replica or an original that was available prior to 1899. The Miroku has a shorter lever throw (factory short stroke) compared to original Winchester 1873 rifles. The bad thing is it's not a short enough throw for serious SASS competition and not authentic for the those that require it. They completely missed the boat for sales to CAS competition.
 
I don't like the screw in magazine tube cap, original '73s had a cross screw but may cost extra $$ to have the screw and threaded hole.
Yeah Uberti has that screw in cap too. Some of those little things we have to live with or alter it ourselves.
 
Cliff,

I'm a NCOWS member and didn't know they excluded Maroku '73s. I belong just to support them and what they stand for. No harm done in my case as there is no NCOWS competition in Arizona. Wouldn't matter if there was as I'm to disabled to run around with the kids...even if a lot of them are in their 50s and 60s (LOL).

I had an 1887 vintage Winchester '73 that I shot in CAS back in the 1980s and '90s. It's been gone long enough that when I got the repro '73s I have now I didn't and still don't notice a difference in the lever throw. My "Winchester" by Maroku 1873s all shoot minute of steel plate which is all I require of them, and they do it with black powder!

Dave
 
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