Most inaccurate rifle I've shot in a long time, and it's a head-scratcher.

Never subscribed to shooting AT stuff.
I expect it on target, every time.

Even dove hunting I get burned up when I miss LOL
 
Varminterror said:
The OP here had some loose mount screws, he remedied the defect, and he reported 1/2" groups... That might not be as small as the rifle can shoot, but it's certainly nothing a reasonably skilled shooter shouldn't be able to do with a rifle like that.
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@Trey Veston this is what I was getting at; seeing a guy with sensible goals of 3-shot Sporter groups and printing well under 1” had me thinking you’ve got the knack, while the bipod on a bag meant you probably weren’t a full-time student. No shame in that, I’d bet on you to outshoot me any day. Thank you for being candid with us and I’ll add that if you’re inclined, you ought to consider a few matches to hone those skills. Would really enjoy seeing you holding up some fresh trophies of your own.
 
Varminterror said:
This is really like saying, "nobody really needs an AR-15," or "nobody really needs a car which will drive over 80mph." But none of these really make sense... *music plays* - "Like a girl too pretty, with too much class. Being too lucky, a car too fast. No matter what they say I done, I ain't never had too much fun."…
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Yeah, I know the song…LOL! I lived the song in much of my misspent youth long before it was ever penned.

I don’t agree nor did I mean to infer “no one needs a _______”. My point was that most folks worry more about the tool than the skill.

Better tools lead to better performance …no argument. But you can’t buy a rifle to outshoot poor fundamentals if they are present.

And fun and hobbies are certainly encouraged. I’m not the guy whose telling someone what they should buy with their hard earned $$$

I’m glad TV sorted out his gun issues. I’m glad his gun shoots to his expectations. And I’m glad his expectations are met. Seems like that is an all too uncommon thing these days.

I never meant any harm or disrespect. I apologize to Troy if I came across this way.
 
Trey Veston said:
I think a lot of shooters are Alpha types that really get into the competitive aspect of shooting and all the little details and techniques, and if you do one little thing wrong or different, then they like to point it out and try to shame you for it.
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Honestly I’ve found the opposite to be true. A few locals yes, competitive shooters no. I have seen the best local guys mentor complete newbs who were shooting 1/4” groups at 200 yards a few years later. They offer information, it’s not always well received, and I think that is simply a matter of context.

Asking a doctor for a square answer might seem a simple task, Doc, why do I hurt? “Polymyalgia Rheumatica, with Giant Cell arteritis” is perhaps more than most people are wanting for but a prescription note for the pharmacist makes for a more certain answer, “Nothing we can’t mostly fix”. And so it is when you inquire about what seem to be simple whys and receive complex answers from enthusiasts as to what’s wrong with this rifle.
 
Buzznrose said:
you can’t buy a rifle to outshoot poor fundamentals if they are present.
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I’ll tell you - directly - after instructing new shooters for over 20yrs, and especially after instructing long range and precision shooters, yes, you CAN dramatically improve the performance of an underdeveloped shooter with nothing but a checkbook.

Most aspects of a rifle which come with a hefty price tag are shooter-friendly improvements - shootability enhancements which make rifles easier to shoot. Add a custom barrel to a Rem 700, the groups shrink. Replace a 6lb Ruger M77 trigger with a 1.5lb Jard and groups shrink. Add adjustable cheek riser to better align with the scope, groups shrink. Shoot a better bullet, groups shrink… we can buy a LOT of performance without increasing skill - and further:

Newbies benefit from shooting-aides more than experienced shooters.

One example - I had a guy in a long range class two years ago who had brought his 10yr old son along to watch. After the training day was over, we were shooting some spare ammo and I was spotting for them - his son was dancing around a target at 300yrds and lost interest because he wasn’t connecting. Not a bad rifle, not bad ammo, a Bergara HMR 6.5 creed shooting 140 ELD factory fodder which had low teen SD for 10 rounds… but the kid was struggling. Not wanting him to skulk off in disappointment and lose interest in shooting, I asked him if he would burn up some ammo for me - “because I wasn’t really feeling like shooting that afternoon.” He smacked the 300 yard target, then I gave him instructions how to dial and he walked one shot, one hit on targets clear out to 1,000, missed 2, then hit his 3rd shot at 1,100 yards… the kid didn’t suddenly learn new skills - he just had a more shooter friendly rifle in front of him.
 
Nature Boy said:
You ought to see my 1 shot groups
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That’s why I like shooting PRS and ELR - every shot is pass/fail, no groups!

We did have a couple sub-MOA targets out around 600 yards in the CoF today, and our wind and mirage were just trash.

Not as much influence though as the ELR Heavy Gun match going on near here today - the 4 farthest targets, 3000-4500 yards, had 1000 shots taken at them, and only 11 connected. Matches this time of year are tough - wind might be near zero, or it might be 45mph.
 
Trey Veston said:
Took it back out today before work and got it down to around 1/2" 5-shot group. It's going in the right direction! Thanks for the help!View attachment 1200121View attachment 1200122
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My first question would be “At what range did your dad shoot it at?”

100yards isn’t a stretch for a gun like that or a Marine Sniper.
I know my SiG SSG3000 wit my Benchmark 6.5 Creedmoor barrel doesn’t have the same zero at 100 as it does at 300. In fact when zeroed at 300 or 500, I get a similar group as you've posted. At that close range I don’t even use the same powder at 100 as 300+ and it makes all the difference.
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kimberkid said:
My first question would be “At what range did your dad shoot it at?”


100yards isn’t a stretch for a gun like that or a Marine Sniper.
I know my SiG SSG3000 wit my Benchmark 6.5 Creedmoor barrel doesn’t have the same zero at 100 as it does at 300. In fact when zeroed at 300 or 500, I get a similar group as you've posted. At that close range I don’t even use the same powder at 100 as 300+ and it makes all the difference. View attachment 1201289View attachment 1201289
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That’s a weird looking Bolt action rifle who makes it? @kimberkid
 
kimberkid said:
My first question would be “At what range did your dad shoot it at?”

100yards isn’t a stretch for a gun like that or a Marine Sniper.
I know my SiG SSG3000 wit my Benchmark 6.5 Creedmoor barrel doesn’t have the same zero at 100 as it does at 300. In fact when zeroed at 300 or 500, I get a similar group as you've posted. At that close range I don’t even use the same powder at 100 as 300+ and it makes all the difference.
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Um… across the board… what?
 
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