Ukraine Train
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Smuggled from the US or what? I can see them getting AK's pretty easily but seems like getting an AR15/M16 would be a lot tougher.
How do Palestinian militants get American guns?
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Standing Wolf
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The leftist extremist term is "militants." The real word term is "terrorists."
Well lets see. We left enough arms in South Vietnam to equip a very large Army and I think the worlds fifth largest Air Force. Those weapons have been turing up in the hands of terrorist groups and insurgencies world wide since 1975.
We give the Isrealis plenty of American weapons under the foreign military sales program. In that program we give them cash to buy American weapons with. I'm sure some of what you see in the hands of the Palestinians has been captured from the Israelis.
The M16 has been produced under license in the Phillipines, South Korea, Canada, and a couple other places that don't spring immediately to mind. The Chicoms have produced an unlicensed version.
We sold M16s to Guatemala, El Slavador, Honduras and some other Latin American countries. Some of these countries have sold off earlier versions to get newer ones.
I'd say you are more likely to encounter an M16 varient then any other weapon besides an AK.
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We give the Isrealis plenty of American weapons under the foreign military sales program. In that program we give them cash to buy American weapons with. I'm sure some of what you see in the hands of the Palestinians has been captured from the Israelis.
The M16 has been produced under license in the Phillipines, South Korea, Canada, and a couple other places that don't spring immediately to mind. The Chicoms have produced an unlicensed version.
We sold M16s to Guatemala, El Slavador, Honduras and some other Latin American countries. Some of these countries have sold off earlier versions to get newer ones.
I'd say you are more likely to encounter an M16 varient then any other weapon besides an AK.
Jeff
jefnvk
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That is about my thoughts exactly.
I think Jeff covers it good. Best guess would be those were rifles obtained (looting, killing, etc.) somehow from the Israelis.
vis35
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Stolen or captured from the Israelis I would expect.
On a related point, I always find it interesting the way the terrorists pose brandishing firearms. It is kind of like “look mom, real guns!â€
Regards,
Jeff
On a related point, I always find it interesting the way the terrorists pose brandishing firearms. It is kind of like “look mom, real guns!â€
Regards,
Jeff
Cosmoline
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Back when the peaceniks ruled Israel, they were selling M-16's en masse to the Pals. There were of course guarantees that none of these firearms would end up in the hands of terrorists. You can see for yourself the value of a Palestinian promise from the photos.
another48hrs
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Iran is also making copies. They look alot similair to the Chinese ones.
Crosshair
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I heard that in some of the copies they are ditching the gas system. Any truth to this???
palestinians get most of the M-16s from the Isreali's, captured, illegally sold to them , ect. However, I'm sure that the US, you and me, sent money and possibly arms to equip the PA, palistinian authority, just a few years ago as a result of one the "peace accords" granting palistinian semi-autonomy.
AechKay
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Simple answer: US. Pun intended.
justsurvivingincalifornia
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The M16s came from the country of Jordan which recived in the form of military aid from the USA. They also recived uniforms US GI BDUs of varous color patterns(look at pictures again).
It good to know that with out proper maintenance these guns will be falling apart soon, just like they did in central america. This is why all front line Israelis use Galils. They use M16 for rear areas and urban areas because they are lighter and maintenance issues. They were also given to Israel in military aid from US.
Personaly I rather have FALs G3s or AKs in this type of combat.
The AKs series has been describe as "The rifle designed by Geniuses to be used by Idiots". It comes close to a maintenance free rifle.
It good to know that with out proper maintenance these guns will be falling apart soon, just like they did in central america. This is why all front line Israelis use Galils. They use M16 for rear areas and urban areas because they are lighter and maintenance issues. They were also given to Israel in military aid from US.
Personaly I rather have FALs G3s or AKs in this type of combat.
The AKs series has been describe as "The rifle designed by Geniuses to be used by Idiots". It comes close to a maintenance free rifle.
Justin
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Don't forget that you've got places like Dara Adam Khel in Pakistan that have been churning out all manner of knockoff and original designs for more than a century.
another48hrs
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I don't know if it would be worth it for them to change to another system. As for the copies in Iran, they look exactly like the Chinese version. And from the reviews in Canada, they say its pretty much the same except for the handguard and pistol grip. But Iran also has a bullpup rifle in development, and looks like it has a lot of ar15 influence in it, but could be piston ran.
Nightcrawler
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Why, gun shows, obviously. Don't you know anything?
That's why this country needs legislation regulating gunshows. It's obvious that terrorists in other countries are using them to get assault weapons. Somebody call Diane Feinstein...
jefnvk
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Another thing: Here is the list of countries that have bought weapons from Colt. Looks like about 95. Some people on there that could be quiter sypmathetic to the Palestinians (including Iran).
Just something to think about, but I'm still sticking with them being obtained from the Israelis.
Just something to think about, but I'm still sticking with them being obtained from the Israelis.
Phoenix_III
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Nothing like a backwards mounted bipod. =) 
MTMilitiaman
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I noticed that too.
I am glad someone beat me to the Feinstein smear by suggesting gun shows--I'd hate to be the only smart @$$ in the group.
HI express
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International aid
In some of our international aid to other "friendly" countries, we make arms deals as part of that aid. Also when we left 'Nam. a lot of ARVN troops had weapons which we gave them to aid them in their fight against NVA and Charlie.
So where do you think those weapons went when we left? They need the money too.
You should see what China is making to rearm their troops to prepare against the imperialist invasion.
Also, have you guys been keeping an eye on the news when Army and Marine bases stateside get robbed of weapons? Good sized cases get stolen.
In some of our international aid to other "friendly" countries, we make arms deals as part of that aid. Also when we left 'Nam. a lot of ARVN troops had weapons which we gave them to aid them in their fight against NVA and Charlie.
So where do you think those weapons went when we left? They need the money too.
You should see what China is making to rearm their troops to prepare against the imperialist invasion.
Also, have you guys been keeping an eye on the news when Army and Marine bases stateside get robbed of weapons? Good sized cases get stolen.
Where and when did this happen? Loss of a weapon, any weapon, even an M9 pistol that someone failed to secure with a lanyard and lost out of the open door of a Blackhawk is enough to keep the entire battalion involved in the field on line looking for it for days.
I'd love to see some documentation of this. Got any?
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