Please help me with how to take a pistol on an airline flight...

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Frandy

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I've ignored this process completely because I saw no possibility that I'd be flying anytime soon with a gun. Well, things change... I will need to have a pistol or revolver with me but haven't a clue what to do to be able to take it with me on the plane or to do my best to make sure it arrives at my destination.

Can anyone point me to all I need to do? How to secure...who to see...papers to complete...whatever.

I'll be flying from North Carolina to New Mexico and back over a weekend.

Thanks!

Frandy
 
First, ensure that your weapon is packed in a carrying case, sans ammunition. Next, take appropriate measures to seal the carrying case so that it cannot be opened easily (same for the case holding the ammunition).

Ammunition can be stored in anything stronger than a cardboard box. Your weapon should preferrably be in the case it came in when purchased. Zippered cases are NOT preferred.

Next, place both containers in the trunk of your vehicle. Drive to New Mexico, and give containers to a trustworthy person to hold for you 'for a few days'.

Drive back to NC. Arrive at airport 1 and 1/2 hour prior to your flight. Board. Arrive in NM. Retrieve weapon and ammunition. Pay trustworthy person a stipend for their services.

Voila!
 
Depends on what airline your flying - they all have a different process that you must follow. You will NOT be able to carry it on your person but you can check it....go to your airlines website, the info should be there. Plan to be hassled a bit and give yourself extra time to check in.
 
Basically

It has to be in a hard lockable case. Ammo must not be loose or in a mag. Try and use factory boxes if you have them. Ammo can be in the same container as gun. At checkin tell them you have a gun.

I always dissasemble my guns when flying as it make it easier for them to check it is safe.

I always tape a note on the case that lists my name, the flight I am on and my cell number.

The TSA cant open the gun case without you there.

Go to the TSA website and your airlines website and print out the rules they each have. it really simplifies getting into an argument with them when you have their own rules.
 
Sounds good so far...much appreciated. If anyone else has info, please post.

Oh, and the humorous posts...much appreciated as well...funny goes a long way. :D
 
Do you have time to send it to yourself there? I know I'd rather have FedEx have it overnight than trust the airlines' baggage handlers with my piece. Pretty sure that this is how my boss handles it with his competition pistols.
 
You also need to know what the carrier requires. Here's whats on the Continental website;

Firearms
Continental accepts one item of shooting equipment per customer in lieu of one piece of free baggage. All items must be properly encased in a suitable container. One item of shooting equipment is defined as:
One hard-sided shooting equipment case containing up to five firearms, with or without scopes, 11 lbs (five Kgs.) of ammunition and articles used in the firearm sport.
The following are firearm restrictions:
• Firearms will be accepted only from a customer who is 18 years of age or older.
• Firearms are not accepted to/from Israel.
• Curbside check-in of a firearm is not permitted.
• Customer must demonstrate in an isolated area that the firearm is unloaded.
• The firearm must be packaged in a hard-sided container capable of being locked. The container must be locked and the key or combination must remain in the customer's possession. If a hard-sided container is needed, see the container section of this site.
• Handguns must be packed in hard-side lockable luggage. Baggage containing handguns must be locked at the time of acceptance by Continental Airlines and the key or combination retained in the passenger's custody.
• For travel to/from the United Kingdom, pistols, rifles and shotguns must be packed in a hard side rifle case.
• The firearm will be transported in a section of the aircraft that is inaccessible to the customer. Proof of registration is not required.
• Firearms carried in addition to the free baggage allowance will be assessed at the current excess baggage charge.
• No more than 11 pounds of ammunition may be carried. The ammunition may be packed in the same container as the firearm or in a separate container. Ammunition must be packed in the manufacturer's original package or securely packed in fiber, wood or metal containers. The ammunition inside the container must be protected against shock and secured against movement. The ammunition may be packed in the same container as the firearm or in a separate container.
Continental is not liable for damage to firearms that are not contained in hard-sided cases.
America West will allow passengers to transport firearms in accordance with Federal Law. The following conditions must be met:
• Items of shooting equipment will be accepted as checked baggage only.
• A passenger who presents baggage containing a firearm must declare and demonstrate that the weapon is unloaded.
• All firearms must be in a hard-sided container for transport and the container locked.
• A Firearm Unloaded Declaration form must be signed and placed inside the bag or gun case.
• Ammunition must be packed in the original manufacturing package or metal/wood box, with a maximum of 11 pounds per passenger.
• Ammunition and firearms must be placed in separate bags.
• The number of firearms is limited to
o Not more than two rifles, with or without scopes, one shooting mat, noise suppressors, and small rifle tools or
o Two shotguns and two shotgun cases or
o One pistol case containing not more than five pistols; noise suppressors, one pistol telescope, and small pistol tools or
o One bow and quiver of arrows and maintenance kit enclosed in a container of sufficient strength to protect the bow and quiver with arrows from damage.
 
I fly with mine on American regularly.

Lockable case, you keep the combination or key. I usually field strip it if it's an auto, since sometimes the agents will want you to show it's unloaded. I get this request about half the time.

Tell the ticket agent you have a firearm to declare, she hands you a paper card to sign and place in the locking case. Lock it in front of her, put that inside your luggage to be checked.

Go to TSA, tell them there is a declared firearm in the bag.
99% of the time they tell you to have a nice flight, and you go on about your business. 1% of the time they want to see. Dont give them the combination or the key. Their own regulations say YOU are the only one that can have the key or combination. Offer to open it for them. If you get grief here, ask for a supervisor. The only problem I've had in hundreds of flights was with this step of the process.

FYI American will allow ammunition in the same suitcase as the firearm as long as it's in the original factory container. That's not an FAA or TSA rule, it's airline specific.

I take a 386PD and a box of .357Mags or a Sig P239 in .40 with me on nearly every flight I take.

In 5 years I've only had ONE problem. Some idiot TSA agent gave me grief once and called his supervisor. It was taken care of pretty quickly.

I've never been hassled at all. Actually I experience the opposite. Most people are nicer to you. I think a lot of the ticket agents assume you're some kind of LEO. After all, only a cop would travel with a gun right?
:evil:

Enjoy exercising your rights!
 
Look at the airlines website (make a copy and fly with that copy). Then call the airline to see if there are changes to the info. Most airline reps are not all that sure about such regs, any problems politely as for a supervisor. Do not argue. Arguing will possibly get you flagged to be searched when you fly.

Then check with the TSA on the web (make a copy of their info too), then call them on the phone. Tell them you read their info on the web and ask if there are any changes you need to know about. A link to the TSA website is found below.

You are required to carry the firearm UNLOADED in a hard-sided locking case. Besides unloaded, I also use a trigger or cable lock. The case in which the gun is transported must be a hard case and can actually be your suitcase so long as it is hard-sided and locks - it does not have to be an individual case from your hardsided suitcase. Some airline folks will insist it needs to be in a separate hard locking case, then put into your suitcase; this is nonsense but why argue. In reality there is no requirement for an hardsided inner case (unless the outer bag is softsided) BUT, having the gun in its own locking case which is then put inside your suitcase is highly preferred by some airlines (makes it easier to steal than a whole suitcase I imagine - LOL). If you do it this way, the outer carry bag can be softsided so long as the handgun is in a locking hard-sided case.

If you carry ammunition, pack it in a box wherein the primers are protected. Such a box includes regular cardboard ammo boxes. Whatever the ammo is packed in, that must also be in a hard locking case which can be the same case in which the firearm is transported. I'll only say this once and not argue later (not looking for an argument), the following only is correct in part:
Ammo must not be loose or in a mag.
While ammo cannot be transported loose, it definitely can be transported in a magazine so long as the mag holding the ammo is separate from the firearm (can be in same hard locking case as the firearm but, not in the gun) AND, as long as the open end of the mag is covered, such as if you have the mag in a mag pouch. This is plainly stated on the TSA WEBSITE



If you also intend to carry ammunition, ask the airline rep about exactly how much ammunition you can carry. This can vary by airline and, it is almost a given that TSA will not agree. They have tried to stop me from having a mere 150 rounds of 9mm in my luggage but, when I explained that I had about another 75 rounds on my person that shut them up and they actually listened to me and to the airline rep about how much I could carry in my luggage. It did not matter that I was a federal agent flying armed, nor did it matter that I was temporarily working as a Federal Air Marshal at the time. I still had to follow the regs on ammo in my checked baggage because I had some in there – which I did not mind so long as the TSA also followed the regs. Of course, I could have carried it all in my pockets or in my carry on had I wanted to do so but another 150 rounds on my person would have been a little uncomfortable. TSA was trying to say all I could carry was 50 rounds, the airline said something like 12 pounds of ammo - go figure! As it was all was ok because I had a copy of Delta Airlines regs and I knew that I could carry more than 50 rounds by anyone's standards, so did the Delta supervisor and so did the TSA supervisor. My point is you will be dealing with Frick, Frack and Jack on this one so don’t panic, stay calm, know the regulations and, have em with you just in case.

Of course someone at TSA will probably tell you one thing one day and another thing tomorrow, just the way it goes when they get different training - so make a copy and bring it with you. I try not to get to hard on them because they are not responsible for making all the rules we have to follow; nor are they the reason the rules were brought about. When anyone gives them too much grief as being the root of the problem I try to remind them of the reasons for all these rules: a field, a 5 sided building in our capital, two big towers in the Big Apple, a few planes hijacked by a large number of whackos, a few kabooms with more than a few lost. Iknow some of the rules were in place beforehand but they also can be attributed to hijackers actions for the most part.

One other thing, make sure it is legal for you to transport and possess your firearm under state law of both the departure and arrival state.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
After all, only a cop would travel with a gun right?
Sarcasm aside, I suspect you sort of really believe you are getting preferential treatment because you may really believe they think you are an LEO. I doubt it; people transporting firearms in luggage is a pretty common thing even here in NY. When I fly armed they know I am a LEO because I show them my ID and get on the aircraft armed. Sometimes they treat me with a lot less respect once they find out I am an LEO. In the rare instance where I have traveled with a firearm in my luggage, they have no clue if I am an LEO or not; although they know I am someone who follows the rules about transporting firearms. Maybe the same goes for you and that is why they are so polite with you or; maybe it is in part (as I suspect) because you are being polite with them.

best regards,
Glenn B
 
When I fly armed they know I am a LEO because I show them my ID and get on the aircraft armed.

Question for you: Are you a US Marshal/Air Marshal? It sounds like you're saying any LEO can cc on a commercial flight. I wasn't aware of that.
 
While ammo cannot be transported loose, it definitely can be transported in a magazine so long as the mag holding the ammo is separate from the firearm (can be in same hard locking case as the firearm but, not in the gun) AND, as long as the open end of the mag is covered, such as if you have the mag in a mag pouch.

You are right. I stand corrected. I remembered this once you posted it. The only trouble I have ever seen at an airport was over this. A buddy was complying with this but the TSA guy gave him a lot of crap over it. I would box it to be safe.
 
Two more questions.

  1. I'll have to change flights as I won't be able to get a non-stop. What happens here? Does the bag just flows through the system like all others?
  2. Where do I pick up the bag/weapon when I arrive at my final destination? Will the baggage be with all other baggage on the ole' carousel or do I get it elsewhere?

Thanks for all the great info from so many folks. I love THR!!!!
 
I read a post in a gun forum, possibly THR, where the flyer went up to a Sky Cap, gave him a $20 tip, and told the Sky Cap he was going to check in with a firearm. The Sky Cap took him up to the ticket counter, to the side of the line, and confered with the ticket agent, staying with the passenger until the check in was completed. The Sky Cap was experienced with the procedure and expedited the process. $20 may sound like a lot for help with your luggage, but think of it a s training for the next time.
 
they have no clue if I am an LEO or not; although they know I am someone who follows the rules about transporting firearms. Maybe the same goes for you and that is why they are so polite with you or; maybe it is in part (as I suspect) because you are being polite with them.

Glenn, well put. I believe you hit the mark.
 
I'll have to change flights as I won't be able to get a non-stop. What happens here? Does the bag just flows through the system like all others?
Yes.

Where do I pick up the bag/weapon when I arrive at my final destination? Will the baggage be with all other baggage on the ole' carousel or do I get it elsewhere?
Depends on the airline. If it doesnt show up on the carousel then go to the baggage claim office of the airline you traveled on.
 
Per TSA LEOs can fly armed if they've got paper work stating that they are flying for something work related and if they've complete a class for flying armed, no more, no less.

Otherwise, unloaded firearm in a locked hard case. Ammo in ammo box or mag (must have something coving the top of the mag ie. mag holder) Maybe more or less depending on if TSA is gonna be fussy that day or not. OEM ammo makers box is the preferred way to transport ammo.

Dan

p.s. What Lennyjoe said. :D
 
Watch out for the loaded magazine thing.

Just because it's OK with TSA doesn't mean the airline will allow it.

American specifically does NOT allow ammo in any container other than the factory box, this includes loaded magazines even if kept apart from the weapon.

TSA is not the only authority here, companies can dictate their own policy as long it isn't MORE liberal than the TSA's, but it can certainly be more strict.

And yes Glenn you are correct, I was just being a smartass :evil:
 
I'd rather have FedEx have it overnight than trust the airlines' baggage handlers with my piece.
Can't practically do that if you're not an FFL or you're not shipping it to an FFL, even though it's perfectly legal. Neither FedEx nor UPS will let you ship a gun to yourself, even if you quote chapter and verse from Federal regulations (I've tried). I ended up checking the handgun through (AirTran) and the airport staff asked if I was FBI. :D
 
I just had my first experience with checking a firearm (Southwest), and boy was it fun. I actually didn't have any problems on the way out (going to Mississippi from Albuquerque), but on the way back I ran into some issues at Jackson airport. It seems that some TSA people think that ammunition can not be transported loaded in magazines, no matter how they are packaged. I had two Glock 21 magazines loaded with premium HPs. I had these magazines in the same case (one of those Winchester aluminum briefcases) as the weapon, and they were stored in a ballistic nylon double magazine pouch with flaps that cover the whole magazine. The TSA lady in Jackson would not allow me to check my baggage with the magazines loaded. When I showed her the TSA regs stating that ammo may be carried in magazines as long as the primer is covered, she stated "Oh, well that only applies if you are using safety magazines which cover the primer." Safety magazines which cover the primer? I told her that I had never heard of such a thing, and that I was assured by the ticketing agents in both Albuquerque and Jackson that there would be no problem with my loaded magazines as long as they were in pouches. Unfortunatley, she persisted, and because I had no spare ammo boxes, I got back to Albuquerque lighter by about $15 of DoubleTap ammo. The moral of my story? No matter what TSA regs state, it's probably better just to check your ammo in a seperate container designed to carry ammo, rather than face the frustration of TSA people who don't know what they are talking about.

P.S. I did get some great looks from people in line behind me when they realized I was showing the ticketing agent my unloaded Glock 30. One lady looked at me and said "Your gun is going to be on the plane?!?!" :banghead:
 
I ended up checking the handgun through (AirTran) and the airport staff asked if I was FBI.

Best response to them asking if your FBI would be "I'm sorry, that information is classified." :p
 
When I showed her the TSA regs stating that ammo may be carried in magazines as long as the primer is covered, she stated "Oh, well that only applies if you are using safety magazines which cover the primer."

You should have just replied, "Oh! Why didn't you say so? These *are* safety magazines which cover the primer!" :evil:

I don't think I've ever seen a pistol magazine that didn't cover the primer.
 
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