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Across the area: Convicted killer sentenced to die --(Augusta Chronicle) A 51-year-old McDonough man was sentenced to death Sunday in the Jan. 12, 1998, slaying of Laurens County Deputy Sheriff Lyle Dinkheller.
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Damn shame they switched to the needle. I would have liked the possibility of this guy bursting into flames on the chair. Plently of that for afterwards I suppose.

Is there a way to send letters to prisoners in Georgia? I would like to let him know how much better the world will be without him.
 
English kanigit, first let me thank you for posting this as it was something I think everyone needed to see. Secondly that was the worst thing I have ever had to watch and I hope I never have to see it again.

I am not going to second guess the officer as hindsight is always 20/20. I hope they fried that bastard.
 
The BG had one thing going for him that is almost impossible to train for-he'd obviously killed before and others had tried to kill him. It's the difference between an experienced bouncer and a dojo trained black belt who has never blooded or been bloodied. He was out to kill or die and he didn't care either way, and that makes him the most dangerous man in the world.
A matter of curiousity...anyone know what weapon the LEO was carrying?
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One thing I take away from this:

If you have a handgun, and the other guy is loading a rifle to try to kill you- close in and shoot early, because distance and concealment aren't going to be on your side, and running away is about to be come a hell of a lot harder to do.

The memory of this video has likely kept a few folks alive.

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Across the area: Convicted killer sentenced to die --(Augusta Chronicle) A 51-year-old McDonough man was sentenced to death Sunday in the Jan. 12, 1998, slaying of Laurens County Deputy Sheriff Lyle Dinkheller.
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Wow!!!! what a horrible video.

I think the needle is too good for the perp. Kinda makes me wish we had public hangings again. :fire: :fire:
 
The only thing I would do differently that wasn't mentioned yet is empty my magazine as quickly as I could at the bad guy. The deputy got the first shot, and then there was nothing for almost two seconds until the bad guy shot back. If someone had a loaded rifle pointed at me, I would certainly try to put as much lead their way to ensure they went down. I think the officer could have won this fight if he'd done that. Even when they're exchanging fire he is reluctant to fire more than one shot at a time until about the fifth one.

As for sending letters taunting a man who's on death row, that just seems low to me. He's already paying with his life.
 
any word on what became of the passenger? i can't help but think that he contributed to the LEO's demise in some way. if nothing else, he likely caused him to hesitate from scuffling/engaging the driver before he went back to his truck, and it looks like the passenger might have helped the driver get the rifle out
 
this video really hits home the disadvantages of a pistol in a gunfight.
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Not really. In fact it SHOULD show the advantage, it's just that the officer did not understand that advantage.

The advantage was that the officer was armed BEFORE the subject was armed, and the subject should never have been allowed to get to the point of this being a gunfight. At the moment the subject touched his rifle, this should have ended.

Watch this again, the officer stands there and allows the subject to load his weapon. ***?????? :banghead:
Important lesson for us all there.


And a side note. Why is it that every weapon used by a criminal is called an AK-47? :confused:
 
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As for sending letters taunting a man who's on death row, that just seems low to me. He's already paying with his life.
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What??? You have got to be kidding. In case you missed it, this nutcase murdered a LEO for NO APPARENT REASON. Are you really saying we should be concerned about his feelings?
 
As for sending letters taunting a man who's on death row, that just seems low to me. He's already paying with his life.
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Perhaps we should consider the actual value of a life before we decide if its a high enough price, his isnt. A decent person died as a result of this mans actions and a worthless waste of skin dies in response, where is the balance here? Shame that he has but one neck to stretch for his insult to the human race.
 
I have to say that this video has only strengthened my resolve to carry all the time.

Granted I am not a LEO and never will be. There are these scumbags out there and chances are that if I live long enough, I will be forced to deal with one.

I hope that this brave officers last moments have saved more than a few lives.
 
Aquaholic said:
What??? You have got to be kidding. In case you missed it, this nutcase murdered a LEO for NO APPARENT REASON. Are you really saying we should be concerned about his feelings?
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The man is still a man, not a waste of skin, and he's no threat to society now. I don't see the point in trying to rile up death row inmates and have to wonder how the prison guards would feel about that. If he had died in the confrontation, that would be something I not only would be okay with, but I would have been glad to see. It's a shame that the good guy died and the bad guy lived, and it should have been the other way around. But I think death is a steep enough price to pay no matter what you've done - without reading about people taking pleasure in your fate.
 
He IS still a threat to society!

I'm not sure of the actual dollar amount, but it's probably more than my income every year to keep him in prison. How much does lethal injection cost? How much did his trial cost? What was paid to the officer's family? What do they think his life was worth? Every taxpayer penny that gets spent on him makes him a threat to society. Try this: Go the the courthouse and tell them you're going to need, say $200,000. They will laugh, and tell you to piss off. Then tell them that you decided to NOT kill an officer today, and that's how much you saved them. (it's probably MUCH more) I imagine they will take offense. Wouldn't you?
Personally, after watching this video, I can think of new and interesting ways to destroy this "man", Veteran or not. Hopefully, an inmate who could be confused with a silverback gorilla has made a punk out of this scum.
 
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The man is still a man, not a waste of skin, and he's no threat to society now. I don't see the point in trying to rile up death row inmates and have to wonder how the prison guards would feel about that. If he had died in the confrontation, that would be something I not only would be okay with, but I would have been glad to see. It's a shame that the good guy died and the bad guy lived, and it should have been the other way around. But I think death is a steep enough price to pay no matter what you've done - without reading about people taking pleasure in your fate.
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We don't need to concern ourselves with this cop killer's sensitive little feelings. That's like worrying about how your hair looks after getting your arm chopped off - that is, diverting from the gravity of the larger issue. Besides, he has the right not to read the letters if he so chooses.
 
Passenger?

DaleJunior said:
any word on what became of the passenger? i can't help but think that he contributed to the LEO's demise in some way. if nothing else, he likely caused him to hesitate from scuffling/engaging the driver before he went back to his truck, and it looks like the passenger might have helped the driver get the rifle out
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I believe that passenger with the pointy ears was the assailant's dog. It's hard to tell on the lower resolution videos but I'm pretty sure it was a dog.

I am a federal LEO and also a trainer. I stopped showing videos like this in training after having too many complaints about "graphic" videos making people "uncomfortable" during class. Some people just don't get it.
 
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I believe that passenger with the pointy ears was the assailant's dog. It's hard to tell on the lower resolution videos but I'm pretty sure it was a dog.

I am a federal LEO and also a trainer. I stopped showing videos like this in training after having too many complaints about "graphic" videos making people "uncomfortable" during class. Some people just don't get it.
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I understand your frustration. This situation is EXACTLY why officers need to be shown this video. Nothing else illustrates how quickly a situation can get out of hand and it's deadly consequences.

While it's difficult footage to watch, those who complain about it to the TO's should be run out on a rail. :banghead:
 
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Not really. In fact it SHOULD show the advantage, it's just that the officer did not understand that advantage.
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i get what your saying, but i said "IN A GUNFIGHT", as in, the fight is already on, and your stuck with a pistol.
 
Second guessing

I hope to never see such a video ever again. Poor cop. Training a cop is not to train a killing machine. Nor should it be.

I think, conceptually, the officer did not follow the universal rule of letting the suspect decide the outcome.
Deputy Dinkheller (RIP) had erroneously decided that the outcome would be that the suspect would come to his senses and comply. And he acted according to this instead of what was dictated by the events that unfolded.

The tragic end result was that the suspect ultimately DID decide the outcome.

Another point that may have had a more practical impact here is the possibility that the car camera added another level of complexity to the situation for the deputy. He knew that there would be a 20/20 courtroom hindsight afterwards in which he would be "armchair quarterback"-ed.

It hurts me to see people in this position. He lost his calm early on the clip and probably was attempting to see every wishfull thinking reason to NOT fire. Also, he was in a position where fire/not firing would be a lose-lose. He both fired the first shot scoring several (?) hits, and he still lost the shootout. That tells you something about how ????ed his position was.

Here in Norway JHP ammo is off limits to LEOs. This is exactly what I think that those medic professionals and politicians should see when presenting their "informed opinion". Not to mention the added risk of collateral damage by through-and-through.
 
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This was one particular video we ran through at the academy. The statement that the officer had been reprimanded in the recent past is correct. I believe, IIRC, that it was for using excessive force.

We decided several things after watching this video. First, if a person is non-compliant from the get go, you step up the force continuum. This guy gets a face full of spray. If there is no spray, he gets the baton. I'm not sure if it's on the video (didn't watch it again) but when they go off-screen, the officer does strike the guy with a baton. If you are going to the baton, you end the fight then and there. You don't take one swing, then quit. You take enough swings to put the subject on the ground, the move into submission/cuffing techniques. So, that's the first place this should have ended.

Second, did you all notice that the BG actually had to load his rifle? :what: Two warnings is one too many. I would have assumed the rifle was already loaded anyway, but after BG begins to load his weapon, he is DRT. This is the second place this should have ended. (Then we could all sit back and question if the officer should not have waited, after all the gun was unloaded?!?!)
 
Biker said:
The BG had one thing going for him that is almost impossible to train for-he'd obviously killed before and others had tried to kill him. It's the difference between an experienced bouncer and a dojo trained black belt who has never blooded or been bloodied. He was out to kill or die and he didn't care either way, and that makes him the most dangerous man in the world.
A matter of curiousity...anyone know what weapon the LEO was carrying?
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i second that. there is no substitute for having done it all before.
 
strambo said:
Actually, the LEO was trained well enough. He gave forceful commands because that is what he was trained to do...problem was he didn't have the confidence to back them up. His mindset failed him, not his training.

You could tell he didn't want to have a confrontation, he desperately wanted the BG to comply. Too bad it wasn't up to him, the BG always dictates what level you have to take it to. You can't talk a nut job out of doing something crazy. Physical force needed to be the officer's plan A as soon as the guy approached him saying to "shoot him." He needed to finish it then and there, not just whack the guy a couple times and let him run back to the truck. By "finish" at this point I mean do what it takes to get him cuffed and under control, ASP/OC Taser, whatever.

When the BG got the gun, well, now you're in a gunfight whether you like it or not. Time to step up and be a gunfighter, "Get it out, get it on and get it over with." -What the instructor at the LE firearms instructor course always said, as opposed to asking him to put the gun down repeatedly until you get perforated.

If you carry a gun, then you are putting yourself in a position to be in gunfights. If you are in a position to be in gunfights, you better be a "gunfighter." When the lead starts flying, it doesn't matter that you are a nice person, that you never expected and don't want to hurt anyone, that you don't train enough or think of yourself as a "gunfighter" or tactical ninja. All that matters for the next 5-30 seconds is how well you run your gun and how firm your resolution is to win the gunfight. Emphasis is on the latter.
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Ahem to everything you wrote. Of all the comments about this terrible, tragic event, I find your words to be the best, the most accurate and the most educational.

Speaking of educational, I hope and pray all of us have learned something fromo this terrible incident. Perhaps the lives of Police Officers and CCW permitted Citizens will be saved from the realizations gained from viewing the video and reading good commentary such as yours.

Sincerely,

John
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Which movie is the clip that you are talking about? in the first link I mean.....I can't seem to get the second link going and I can't find the clip in the first link....
 
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