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take your guns and your dogs and move to nevada or someplace where they are gun friendly. And either get a transfer or a new job.

I wont carry untill I am 21. I have wieghed the odds and risks and have decided it isnt worth the risk to carry illegaly. For the amount I go out (Im a homebody) and the amount of crime in my area the liklyhood isn't that I am going to need a gun anytime soon. But I am going to the first CCW class after I turn 21 for the license. The risks of a year may not be worth possibly losing my rights forever. But the risks over a lifetime arn't nearly worth not carrying.

No one here is going to suggest you break the law.
That said, it's your choice. Is your life more important than following an unconstitutional law? You have to make the choice.

And, like many people will tell you shortly, pack your stuff and move if you can.

Never do anything illegal (or say you are going to do something illegal on a public bulletin board)

Getting your CCW license, if possible, does have its benefits. Training and knowledge of applicable laws prior to getting licensed. And having the states permission to carry if you ever get stopped, or heaven forbid, have to use your weapon in self defense. Without a CCW license you are in the same group as the bad guys. Its unfortunate, but that's what it boils down to.

Depending on your county, you might actually be able to get a CCW in Calfornia.
See packing.org.

Lupinus said:

take your guns and your dogs and move to nevada or someplace where they are gun friendly. And either get a transfer or a new job.

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No, please do NOT move. Stay here and fight. Ok, if somehow you were in Japan, I would tell you to move because it's going to take a century of fighting before they get gun rights. But that is not the case in CA. Gun rights are within reach. Step 1: vote Yes on Prop 77, redistrcting. Step 2: Volunteer for the California RKBA amendment. That amendment will make California either shall-issue or Vermont-style (the courts would decide which).

I'm not a lawyer, you should ask a lawyer, etc, but simply carrying a gun in CA is a misdemeanor, not a felony, unless there are other circumstances (you are a gang member, you are carrying with intent to commit a crime, etc). You won't lose your rights on the first offense. How it is handled is at the officer's discretion. He has the option of saying, "I won't do anything this time", or he has the option of taking your gun and letting you go or he can drag you in. All up to him. But at worst, it's a misdemeanor.

Also, the other thing to do is vote in the sheriff's election in your county. Find out who is running, when the election is, and get them to tell you their CCW policies, preferably in writing or in an email, and vote.

Read the info that Packing.org has.

Carrying a loaded pistol in Calif. is a misdemeanor, not a felony (under most circumstances).

Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona will give you a CCW if you are an "Avid Shooter", which is a pretty easy way to get one.

Sir Aardvark, good point. Unless you live in SF county, LA county, SD county or Alameda County, you do have a shot at getting a CCW. In some counties you have almost a "sure shot". Ask, make a good impression, make a good case, apply your best people skills. That will work in all counties except the four I listed.

Many counties in CA are nearly shall-issue!

You should move, but you don't need to move far! (ask a lawyer about residency requirements, etc.)

If the pistol is REGISTERED TO YOU, then in general unless there are other exigient circumstances, illegal CCW in CA is a non-prohibiting misdomenor. Mendocino County has in the past agreed not to prosecure illegal CCW at all if the person takes the class and applies for a permit.

DevLcL said:

Im not yet a CCW but I would like to carry my gun for defensive purposes. Does the risk of a possible felony outwiegh the risk of bodily harm which mught be prevented by carrying a concealed weapon?

Thanks,
-Dev

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Yes

You can’t lose your right to keep and bear arms, but jail and prison aren’t exactly fun places.…

~G. Fink

I might have carried illegally after I applied for my permit and it took 8 months for it to come through. It might have not been the smartest thing for me to do. I can say I was extremely relieved once I did get my permit because now I can carry when ever I want and just about where ever I want. There is a lot of stress that goes along with breaking the law on a constant basis. You are better off following the law as close as possible.

Ultimately, it is up to you. Good luck.

Have you got any use out of that carbine stock?

In Kansas concealed carry USED to be a felony. After many hours spent twisting arms and ears in Topeka we managed to get it reduced to a misdemeanor. We are on the brink of getting a permit system, as much as I despise the idea. We have succeeded in getting legislation passed only to have it vetoed by both republican and Democrat governors. Baby steps I guess. I have TX and NH licenses and the police here range from typical JBTs to "you should really be armed when you go to your business". You just pray you get the latter in any encounter with them.

I.C.

One of my in-laws was cited for having a loaded handgun in a vehicle. It was actually on the tailgate of a parked pickup and the officer was a game warden. The handgun was not concealed. He went to court, paid the ticket and was later issued a ccw in the same county. BTW, this is a very pro-gun CA county.

I yam an old person.

I come from Missouri.

We only just got CCW last year and prior to that I was forced to open carry, which I did.

Since we got CCW, I got permission (not from MO, but from another state, in accordance with the law) and have been carrying concealed. I get fewer stares now, although open carrying in rural MO is not a big thing.

There has been no difference. I have not been accosted by a LEO. I have not had to shoot a bg. I have triggered no alarm bells at Wally World.

I did have to draw my piece and whack a wolf-dog that was trying to kill my Lab pup, but that was on my own property and the only LEO interaction was to see if the wolf-dog had been properly innoculated.

I religiously carry my permission slip, but so far, no LEO has asked to see it. It is almost as if it didn't matter.

I was talking to an 82 year old woman the other day. She told me she carried. Called her piece 'Jessy'

If you are a law-abiding, non-criminal-looking, non-gang-banger-looking, ordinary-looking citizen in a rural, God-fearing, red-blooded-American type area like South Central Missouri you will probably never encounter a problem.

If you hang out in crime ridden, drug enhanced, highly police patrolled, yer-a criminal-that-hasn't-been-caught-yet environments you could be in for a problem.

Yes, Move.

If you are considering carrying anyway, you should seriously look at other weapons or tools you can carry legally that would cut the risk down a little. You might have other options that will help you out.

Sir Aardvark said:

Read the info that Packing.org has.

Carrying a loaded pistol in Calif. is a misdemeanor, not a felony (under most circumstances).

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Only if the handgun is registered to you with the DOJ. Unlicensed concealed carry of an unregistered handgun (even if you had it before registration was required) can be charged as a felony.

Warning Small Detour:Gordon Fink,

The very idea that a person can,"lose a Right", is one of the things wrong with this Country today...Now suspending the exercise of a Right in PUBLIC, by a person who shows a proclivity to abuse said Right, would be more Counstitutionally Correct(as opposed to Politically correct). How about get caught drinking and driving on public roads too much, and you don't get to drive on public roads legally anymore. Use(read as:brandish, threaten use of, or actually use a firearm in Public in a manner not protected by the Constitution) lose the ability to carry and discharge a firearm in the public. But in your home, or in your backyard(following city/state ordinances) you could drive your car while shooting as long as it was not on public property. No rights taken away(as you can't lose that wich is inalienable,right) , just limited in their area of application. Constitutional, and even more so, ethical...{steps off soap box mumbling obscenities under his breath}

I understand what you’re getting at, and I would even agree with you from a utilitarian standpoint—if I hadn’t already rejected utilitarianism. However, my point was that natural rights (such as the RKBA) are inalienable, so they can’t be taken away, though they can be suppressed to a certain degree.

~G. Fink