Ok, so rioting and mayhem seems to spread around Europe now. There was something going on in Denmark, and it will probably spread over the strait to Sweden. Now, the easiest way of getting a shotgun here is to pass the hunters exam, so I'll go for that. Now, should I get a pump or semi? Also, when used for hunting, the shotgun can't hold more than 2+1 shells, so a magasinetube thats easily swapped would be appreciated.
Help me find the ultimate shotgun
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My solidly american response is get a Remington 870. You can get a duck plug which limits the capacity to 3 rounds, and if they are legal in your neck of the woods, you can get a magazine extender making the capacity 6-7 with one more in the pipe. Auto's are no faster than pumps, they just cost more. I am not an auto shotgun type, so if you really want an autoloader, somebody else will have a suggestion for that one.
Thanks, the 870 seems to be somewhat common here, even though SBS and O/U are the prefered type of shotguns here. Magasine extenders are legal, as far as I know. But I just wondered, speaking generally, is it hard to swap the entire magasine on a shotgun?
(Thinking a little more about it, I'm not really sure semis are allowed...)
(Thinking a little more about it, I'm not really sure semis are allowed...)
Your gun laws I am not familar with, nor what is available, so please forgive me and correct as need.
I am thinking a bone stock pump shotgun with perhaps two barrels - which we call "combo" guns here in the US - might work. Here in the US Remington, Winchester and Mosseberg sells these. Long barrel for clay targets and hunting flying game, and short bbl usually with rifle sights for deer and some use for turkey. They do make a Turkey combo as well with long/ short bbls.
Smoothbore barrels are more versatile in load selection.
Now I am not sure of magazine limits in Sweden, here in the US we are restricted to 3 shells total being able to be in the gun for waterfowl and migratory game birds - we have a 'plug' we insert into the magazine tube to restrict the number of shells.
Just thinking a pump would be less monies, for a reliable , quality firearm that is not dependent on ammo, and affords repeat shots being fired. Hate to add...might look more PC being a 'hunting' shotgun.
HTH.
For humor, and no disrespect intended, we have an old closed thread, that your thread title reminds a lot of us of.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=58023&highlight=Ultimate+Shotgun
Just something for fun - even though there are some very serious ( albeit heated) advice and considerations to be learned.
I am thinking a bone stock pump shotgun with perhaps two barrels - which we call "combo" guns here in the US - might work. Here in the US Remington, Winchester and Mosseberg sells these. Long barrel for clay targets and hunting flying game, and short bbl usually with rifle sights for deer and some use for turkey. They do make a Turkey combo as well with long/ short bbls.
Smoothbore barrels are more versatile in load selection.
Now I am not sure of magazine limits in Sweden, here in the US we are restricted to 3 shells total being able to be in the gun for waterfowl and migratory game birds - we have a 'plug' we insert into the magazine tube to restrict the number of shells.
Just thinking a pump would be less monies, for a reliable , quality firearm that is not dependent on ammo, and affords repeat shots being fired. Hate to add...might look more PC being a 'hunting' shotgun.
HTH.
For humor, and no disrespect intended, we have an old closed thread, that your thread title reminds a lot of us of.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=58023&highlight=Ultimate+Shotgun
Just something for fun - even though there are some very serious ( albeit heated) advice and considerations to be learned.
They suck, but not as much as in the UK. Thats the basicsm said:Your gun laws I am not familar with, nor what is available, so please forgive me and correct as need.
I am thinking a bone stock pump shotgun with perhaps two barrels - which we call "combo" guns here in the US - might work. Here in the US Remington, Winchester and Mosseberg sells these. Long barrel for clay targets and hunting flying game, and short bbl usually with rifle sights for deer and some use for turkey. They do make a Turkey combo as well with long/ short bbls.
Smoothbore barrels are more versatile in load selection.
Now I am not sure of magazine limits in Sweden, here in the US we are restricted to 3 shells total being able to be in the gun for waterfowl and migratory game birds - we have a 'plug' we insert into the magazine tube to restrict the number of shells.
Just thinking a pump would be less monies, for a reliable , quality firearm that is not dependent on ammo, and affords repeat shots being fired. Hate to add...might look more PC being a 'hunting' shotgun.
HTH.
For humor, and no disrespect intended, we have an old closed thread, that your thread title reminds a lot of us of.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=58023&highlight=Ultimate+Shotgun
Just something for fun - even though there are some very serious ( albeit heated) advice and considerations to be learned.
The mag limits is only applied when you are hunting. Want to bust clays using that nifty 30-shell drum you got? No problem. And yes, a pump is probably a little more PC than a semi, although few people will understand the difference
A doublebarreled is the most PC, but I can stand being a little ridiculed and called Rambo/whateverthemoronsfindfunny if I get the advantage of not having to reload every two shots when facing 25+ of rioting morons...None taken
try boppin over to russia or finland and buying a siaga. box fed, 5 or 8 round mags, designed for defensive use, really reliable and built like a tank. i love mine. btw you cant go wrong with a nice 870 either.
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Something's ALWAYS going on in Denmark... 8^).
I join with those who suggest a pump shotgun, and among pump shotguns my personal favorite is the Remington 870. Here in the US the 12 bore/12 gauge offers the largest variety of available ammunition, I suspect that might be the case in Sweden also.
I also suggest keeping your barrel selection limited to smoothbore, and finding an extra barrel so that you have two barrels that can interchange on the same gun. This will give you an option of a short barrel (18- 20" is the most popular length here) for home defense, with either a bead sight or factory supplied rifle type sights. A longer barrel (26- 28") is useful for hunting wildfowl, small game, shooting trap/skeet etc. Barrels for 870s will not require fitting by a gunsmith to be interchangeable and they can be quickly swapped by the owner as need requires. There are a few exceptions- the Special Field variants come to mind- but generally there should be no problems in changing barrels on an 870 Wingmaster, Police or Express gun.
I sugest keeping a wooden stock and forearm on the gun if you want it to appear 'just a hunting shotgun.' There are various black plastic stocks available, some with pistol grips etc., and many Americans consider such furniture indespensable on their own 'ultimate' shotguns. Keep it simple, learn to shoot it well in its basic form, learn to load it quickly and you can dispense with a lot of the accessories many folk here feel are must-have items. No amount of accessories are a substitute for skill. Learn the skills and then see if you really need anything else.
As to the magazine extension, I consider it a matter of choice. A one-, two- or three- shot extension is not excessive and if it is of good quality and properly installed it should not cause problems in the gun's ability to feed and function. Magazine extensions are easily installed and removed, as is practically every other major part or assembly in the 870- the gun can be easily altered to fit almost any need a shotgun can fill. And it can be converted fairly quickly and easily, depending on what is required of it.
Good luck with the search for the gun you need, let us know how it goes.
lpl/nc
I join with those who suggest a pump shotgun, and among pump shotguns my personal favorite is the Remington 870. Here in the US the 12 bore/12 gauge offers the largest variety of available ammunition, I suspect that might be the case in Sweden also.
I also suggest keeping your barrel selection limited to smoothbore, and finding an extra barrel so that you have two barrels that can interchange on the same gun. This will give you an option of a short barrel (18- 20" is the most popular length here) for home defense, with either a bead sight or factory supplied rifle type sights. A longer barrel (26- 28") is useful for hunting wildfowl, small game, shooting trap/skeet etc. Barrels for 870s will not require fitting by a gunsmith to be interchangeable and they can be quickly swapped by the owner as need requires. There are a few exceptions- the Special Field variants come to mind- but generally there should be no problems in changing barrels on an 870 Wingmaster, Police or Express gun.
I sugest keeping a wooden stock and forearm on the gun if you want it to appear 'just a hunting shotgun.' There are various black plastic stocks available, some with pistol grips etc., and many Americans consider such furniture indespensable on their own 'ultimate' shotguns. Keep it simple, learn to shoot it well in its basic form, learn to load it quickly and you can dispense with a lot of the accessories many folk here feel are must-have items. No amount of accessories are a substitute for skill. Learn the skills and then see if you really need anything else.
As to the magazine extension, I consider it a matter of choice. A one-, two- or three- shot extension is not excessive and if it is of good quality and properly installed it should not cause problems in the gun's ability to feed and function. Magazine extensions are easily installed and removed, as is practically every other major part or assembly in the 870- the gun can be easily altered to fit almost any need a shotgun can fill. And it can be converted fairly quickly and easily, depending on what is required of it.
Good luck with the search for the gun you need, let us know how it goes.
lpl/nc
Yeah. Smells rotten doesn't it?Lee Lapin said:
Thanks for the advice. Pistolgripped shotguns are legal methinks, but if I can avoid being hassled thats always a plus. And yeah, I'll update ya'll.
Unarmed shooter- another thing you should do is make other swedes realize the danger of openly accepting muslim "asylum seekers" from the middle east and north africa.
These people are walking all over swedes, and gang-raping swedish girls as they go. Why do you think I left? Nar ska ni vakna upp?
These people are walking all over swedes, and gang-raping swedish girls as they go. Why do you think I left? Nar ska ni vakna upp?
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Very true.
Realize that with a Semi-auto 12 guage, you will probably only be getting off one shot every couple of seconds. The Recoil is simply too great to be rattling them off any faster.
Personaly if i had unlimited options for a shotgun, i would probalby take the Saiga .410K - Pistol grip, muzzle break, and a 20 round detachable mag. Load it up with 3" slugs or buckshot and youv got a low-recoil, rapid fire shotgun of acceptable power. But thats just me and my nutty ways.
Give a look at one of these in 12 or 20 guage:
http://www.spartangunworks.com/spr220_ca.htm
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/coach.tpl
Realize that with a Semi-auto 12 guage, you will probably only be getting off one shot every couple of seconds. The Recoil is simply too great to be rattling them off any faster.
Personaly if i had unlimited options for a shotgun, i would probalby take the Saiga .410K - Pistol grip, muzzle break, and a 20 round detachable mag. Load it up with 3" slugs or buckshot and youv got a low-recoil, rapid fire shotgun of acceptable power. But thats just me and my nutty ways.
Give a look at one of these in 12 or 20 guage:
http://www.spartangunworks.com/spr220_ca.htm
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/coach.tpl
Think I like it? I'm leaving this rathole ASAP. Ja, vi behöver dra ner på invandringen, säg till noll...och slänga ut alla som är här olagligt.Throttle_monkey1 said:
Vart bor du nu förresten?
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My all time favorite pump would be a winchester model 12 next a browning BPS but if add-on goodies are what you desire go with an 870.
Unarmed shooter- I live in Canada. Theres still small problems with immigrants here, but its nothing like it is in Sweden. I still go back to sweden every summer but it's depressing and it breaks my heart to see the good honest people get raped and murdered all in the name of being politically correct.
Anyways back to shotguns. I have a mossberg mariner 500 (12 gauge) It's not the best shotgun made, but it always works. 5 in the tube + 1 in the chamber. If you're using it for hunting, just put the plug in it and it will hold 2 in the tube + 1 in the chamber.
A remington 870 is always a good purchase as well.
There are guys on here with much more shotgun knowledge than me, so they will have the best advice on the perfect shotgun for you.
Anyways back to shotguns. I have a mossberg mariner 500 (12 gauge) It's not the best shotgun made, but it always works. 5 in the tube + 1 in the chamber. If you're using it for hunting, just put the plug in it and it will hold 2 in the tube + 1 in the chamber.
A remington 870 is always a good purchase as well.
There are guys on here with much more shotgun knowledge than me, so they will have the best advice on the perfect shotgun for you.
Pumps will do the job for sure, but it I was facing a bunch of crazed idiots, my first choice would be a good semi-auto like the SX2...
Not sure if you could have one of these over there. Though I have a few nice pumps, this would be the one I'd grab:
Winchester Super X2 Practical Mk I - 9-shot capacity
or this one:
FN SLP (Self Loading Police) - based on Winchester SX2 - 7-shot capacity
These guns run simple and FAST. Acquire target and pull the trigger as quickly and repeatedly as necessary. Feed 'em buck and they're as reliable as the sun.
Not sure if you could have one of these over there. Though I have a few nice pumps, this would be the one I'd grab:
Winchester Super X2 Practical Mk I - 9-shot capacity
or this one:
FN SLP (Self Loading Police) - based on Winchester SX2 - 7-shot capacity
These guns run simple and FAST. Acquire target and pull the trigger as quickly and repeatedly as necessary. Feed 'em buck and they're as reliable as the sun.
Unarmed Shooter (US), great to have you on THR. We are truly international. {I humbly propose that we consider changing the background flag on the THR logo...to include other flags...}
If you check my user name, you'll find my recommendation for that 'ultimate shotgun' that parallel's Lee Lapin's suggestion: the 870P. {Not sure if it's available in Swedeville, but if so, it's just a bit more polished, machined, slightly better materials. If not, a standard 870 is still certainly worthy of consideration.}
Pumps are good. There's just something about that "pump" that makes me feel just slightly more in 'control'.
Semi's depend on the gas kicking the mechanism back.
But if it doesn't, that "PUMP" driven by your own arm, will load the next shell anyway.
In the case of an onslaught of religious extremists, that could buy you another few seconds, minutes, hours, days, years...
I hope to learn the meaning of that before I die. (If for no other reason than this: you got letters that don't even appear on my keyboard.
Why, I'd even buy the beer (several pints of the best ale) to hear the story.
If you get here, may I suggest: look to the wet coast.
Nem
Go with a pump gun like these guys are suggesting. Im sure it would be more reliable than an autoloader in the cold up there.
I cant say for sure, but attitudes seems to have changed a little bit...atleast they publish descriptions of the perps, which only a few years ago would have been suicide...so the wall seems to be falling. Of course there are always various idiots who try to make it seem like a slight annoyance. A few months ago, a policestation was shot up with a submachinegun...the shots were aimed at the part where the police interogate people...so the perps knew were to aim, to scare the victim in this case, a young girl who had been beaten up. A well known criminologist called all of this a "prank, they are just young boys" (when talking about those who fired at the policestation) :banghead: ...Guess you have to say that if you are paid directly by the Social DemocratsThrottle_monkey1 said:
Wow. I'm way off topic now
The first one was quite niceDHart said:Pumps will do the job for sure, but it I was facing a bunch of crazed idiots, my first choice would be a good semi-auto like the SX2...
Not sure if you could have one of these over there. Though I have a few nice pumps, this would be the one I'd grab:
Winchester Super X2 Practical Mk I - 9-shot capacity
or this one:
FN SLP (Self Loading Police) - based on Winchester SX2 - 7-shot capacity
These guns run simple and FAST. Acquire target and pull the trigger as quickly and repeatedly as necessary. Feed 'em buck and they're as reliable as the sun.
. I THINK semis are legal...gotta look that up.Means simply: "Yeah, we need to cut down on immigration, to, say zero...and kick out everyone who is here illegaly. Where do you live now BTW?"Nematocyst-870 said:In the case of an onslaught of religious extremists, that could buy you another few seconds, minutes, hours, days, years...
meself said:
I hope to learn the meaning of that before I die. (If for no other reason than this: you got letters that don't even appear on my keyboard.
Nem
When I was there in August this summer there were 7 rapes in one weekend!! one was an 81 year old lady in Malmo! That might seem like nothing, but in a country with 9 million people, that's alot! especially when 30 years ago, before the immigrant boom, rapes were almost unheard of.
Anyways back to shotguns again. What is the minimum barrel length you must have in sweden? I will show you a pic of my mossy 500 mariner. it has an 18" (457mm) barrel. It's not nearly as nice as those winchesters posted, but it cost me 440$ CDN (knapt 2500 kronor), or 150$ US, or 39 Euros A short shotgun is perfect for home defense. The pic shows all my SHTF, home defense "tools" , not my hunting tools.
Anyways, it's good to hear from a fellow swede, and don't give up, the LIEberal Democrats over there might wake up one day
Here's the pic.
Anyways back to shotguns again. What is the minimum barrel length you must have in sweden? I will show you a pic of my mossy 500 mariner. it has an 18" (457mm) barrel. It's not nearly as nice as those winchesters posted, but it cost me 440$ CDN (knapt 2500 kronor), or 150$ US, or 39 Euros
A short shotgun is perfect for home defense. The pic shows all my SHTF, home defense "tools" , not my hunting tools. Anyways, it's good to hear from a fellow swede, and don't give up, the LIEberal Democrats over there might wake up one day
Here's the pic.
OTO, some people no longer consider Malmö to be a part of SwedenThrottle_monkey1 said:When I was there in August this summer there were 7 rapes in one weekend!! one was an 81 year old lady in Malmo! That might seem like nothing, but in a country with 9 million people, that's alot! especially when 30 years ago, before the immigrant boom, rapes were almost unheard of.
Anyways back to shotguns again. What is the minimum barrel length you must have in sweden? I will show you a pic of my mossy 500 mariner. it has an 18" (457mm) barrel. It's not nearly as nice as those winchesters posted, but it cost me 440$ CDN (knapt 2500 kronor), or 150$ US, or 39 Euros
Anyways, it's good to hear from a fellow swede, and don't give up, the LIEberal Democrats over there might wake up one day
Here's the pic.
Cant recall minimum lengt if any.
And yes, there is some hope, but not from those who runs the show now...(M) seems to be quite good regarding guns, but OTO they don't want to stop or reduce immigration. OTO, they are against the proposed amnesty for all people who are here illegaly I believe. What we need is a coalition, with the Moderates being the biggest, but needing a party with a more realistic look on these issues.
Totally of topic, a few months ago, Stockholms Auktionshus sold off a HUGE gun collection. They measures it in tons! They had a few nice pieces for virtually nothing...also some FA stuff too, Thompsons, STEN, and a genuine Glock 18
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