CFriesen
We need the support of those people, and we will never get it by portraying ourselves as unstable and criminal militants willing to distort the principals of democracy to suit our specific interests. WE look like the tyrants... and with good reason I might add. Molon labe / cold dead hands = nutjob to the greater part of society.
If anyone were to read what has been said here, they would see we are not militant criminals, we do not distort the principles of democracy, and it isn't for our own specific interests. Your pretense does betray your agenda. Our goal is the immortality of freedom. What is your goal - beyond standing in the way of those of us willing to defend the right necessary to the immortality of freedom?
And you cannot get away with ignoring that
IT IS NOT US WHO ARE THE AGGRESSORS thwarting our rights and freedoms. THEY are the aggressors. THEY are the ones ignoring the Constitution. THEY started this, not us. We mean to stop it. We mean to revert it back to the Constitution.
If the rest of the population does not understand, it is because they have been lied to and have not yet read the truth. If you want to continue to include yourself in this fight to unfetter our right to keep and bear arms and prevent any infringements of it ever, go to work on this problem you have "discovered" - that no one out there understands.
EDUCATE THEM! You're literate. You can do it! I'm workin' on it, too!
Calling us names will not help, either.
Those circumstances you mention in your 6:07 PM comment have been clearly laid out. Look back and you will see them. It will be when unconstitutional action begins to carry out disarmament.
Medula Oblongata
I'm glad you would not participate in any such unconstitutional debacle. I believe you would be correct in your 90% estimate of non-compliance with such orders. But, don't think we are unaware many of us would succumb to SWAT teams(if any are left active) and any JBT teams from the feds. Once a sweep is begun, how long do you think it would be before those SWAT and JBT teams would be surrounded? People are not going to sit around and wait patiently for them to go house to house.
CFriesen
In response to PirateJoe's quote that caused your jaw to hit the floor, What, you don't have a plan?
I believe Longeyes may have you pegged. You may even be trolling for anti-government militants for all I know. Who signs your pay check?
CFrisen said:
I am a Canadian citizen residing in the US. Although I personally very strongly disagree with the gun laws on both sides of border, the decision to follow laws in either country isn't optional based upon one's personal belief systems. The decision to be truthful to a sworn law enforcement officer isn't optional either.
Well, CF, we're talking the Constitution here - one of the rights specifically protected in it - not our "personal beliefs" as to what law we will obey or not. Fortunately, we live in the United States and can express our opinions. Is it this good in Canada?
You would have us all shut up. After that, we would need to hand over our guns, right? Maybe all those rights that have been infringed(or were never allowed to be exercise) in Canada is a result of you and your ilk cringing at what it takes to preserve them - or even claim them for yourselves and your posterity. And, for your edification, we are fighting a refined, sophisticated, and politically astute battle in every state, and at the level of the Union. What we are discussing here is the last straw. We hold it, and when it comes time, if it ever comes time, we will break the camels back with it.
I don't know where you get your impressions that everyone who reads what we have quoted here will be interpreted as coming from knuckle-dragging, gun crazy, blood thirsty, raw meat eating troglodytes. You insult their intelligence. Those who do think we are knuckle-dragging, gun crazy, blood thirsty, raw meat eating troglodytes have always thought that. We'll never win them over anyway. We don't even want them on our team. Those who do understand just might join the cause. At the least, they won't get in the way.
So, go to those web sites where everyone thinks we are knuckle-dragging, gun crazy, blood thirsty, raw meat eating troglodytes and explain to them who we really are and what we stand for.
....we have allowed ourselves to be interpreted as pistol wavers by virtue of our overzealous desire to show solidarity and resolve; not much better than threatening and posturing street thugs.
Got proof of that? And you keep saying "we". I thought you were "above the fray" the way you admonish the rest of us.
Violent posturing, self indulgent language... self-honoring and damaging rhetoric of the sort that makes the antis squeal with glee. We are manufacturing coffins and nails.
Umm, just which "we" do you belong to here, the antis squealing with glee making coffins and nails? I have seen no violent posturing here. I've seen no self indulgent language, either. All I've seen is statement of fact. And, none of us are so full of ourselves to think we are the first or the only ones to take a stand. All you've seen here is resolve.
I almost missed this:
What happens when the anti-gun people regroup and begin advocating change through legitimate channels and processes again?
There have been no such legitimate channels and processes used by the anti-gun people. To date, every gun law infringing upon the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is unconstitutional.
Again, I'll remind you that they started this, they are the aggressors, they violated the Constitution, and we are the victims. We aim to rectify that.
Woody
"Revolution is the Right of the People to preserve or restore Freedom. Those vested with power should never deprive the people the means, for it may compel such recourse." B.E.Wood