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CEETEE
You're one of hte sub-groups of folk we're trying to get!
Per the various "combat experts" in the past, a sidearm is useful because it's always with you, but it is really only the tool to fight your way back to the rifle you set down!
I wish to take a liberty in answering your question, because you framed it very tight. So here goes.
'What is the most inexpensive (centerfire) rifle I can get...'
We in Appleseed circles have been working up a concept of the "Trainer" rifle for use of the juniors, and adults, for less than the cost of an arm or a leg in practice. It's the round count and the concentration on perfect replication of the "Six Steps" that builds Rifleman Marksmanship Skills. http://www.rwva.org/yabbse/index.php?topic=1149.0
Now, why I BELIEVE in the center fire .30 or larger for target interdiction and homeland defense, it is getting way expensive to shoot off 3000 rounds of even mil surplus to build that skill (takes about 2000 reps to build the skill, 10,000 reps to repair an error...)
So, my first, glib, answer, is ANY STICK YOU ALREADY HAVE, even in .22LR!
Bolt, Lever, Pump, Auto, Break Action...it doesn't matter as long as YOU learn how to use it well, and that means lots of PRACTICE (a .50 BMG, for example, would be a but tough on the body to practice well!)
IN FACT, there is a lot to using a "lo/no" recoil rifle to get the basics down pat.
If you were able to convince yourself that you were learing, you'll find that DRY FIRE is an integral part of the learning process. We have some drills, like balancing a dime or quarter on the barrel at the front sight, to reinforce proper trigger control, one of the key "Six Steps", and one ENTIRELY UNDER OPERATOR CONTROL, which can be done with a BB gun, air gun, airsoft, etc.
Breath control, NPOA (Natural Point of Aim) sight alignment and sight picture can all be practiced without life ammo.
Calling the shot, after trigger control, part of follow through, requires a shot to be fired...though many simulators using laser beams are being developed for that (not inexpensive,though)
I brought in the BB guns, pellet guns, and airsoft intentionally, because although they may not be "real" firearms, they still project, and thus give feedback, and can be used INDOORS for many in inclement weather, or when you can only cut out 15 mintutes (nightly) to practice.
A .22LR trainer, like a modified 10/22 mag fed rifle, will force you to practice all the above steps, and most assuradly reinforce NPOA, as you will unwittingly change your NPOA with the magazine changes. We do this INTENTIONALLY in the Appleseed, even having you change targets mid string, and /or move firing point, all to "burn in" the critical steps, and NPOA!
And a .22LR 10/22 is cheap, shots inexpensive ammo, so you won't cry so much about the 3000 rounds (last I bought, was Federal, at $15.00 /brivk of 1000. $45.00 for 3000 rounds, vs Mil Surp .308 at $700, or XM193 @ $350)
We shoot, for training and early reflex building, at 25 meter, 82 feet, INTENTIONALLY, to let you see and call your shots. This is perfect rqange for the .22LR
Now, after the firing position, and six steps are internallized, it IS TIME to go to full range for some additional learning on trajectory and windage, etc.
Any round that can make your AO (Area of Operation) target dissappear is fine.
Bolt/lever/pump guns are fine, if you don't have to make a lot of targets go away fast. In fact bolts are reportedly THE MOST Accurate and reliable action type. Problem is finding one that is still realiable after being converted to magazine feed, or one that has the clip slots milled.
Imports include the MauserK98, Mosin Nagant, Enfield, etc. In fact Aim Surplus has some Ishapore ENfield on sale right now for <$200 http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Enf-2A__Enfield_2A_.308_NATO_7.62x51_Rifles.html
If you are restricted to, let's say, 200 yards max visible range, the SKS has quite a following at Appleseeds. Cheap (<$200), fed by stripper clips, fairly reliable, once the nut behind the stock learns the stick, using cheap, surplus, or imported ammunition. Many shooters on the various boards cosnider this almost a "throw away" firearm. You'll see that if you look up "Truck Guns".
The AR-15, at about $800 or more, shooting 5.56 ammo (known to others as .223 subtle differences, but lets just accept it for now) will get you this distance with some "slowing power" with good solid CNS (Central Nervous System) hits, and will be a tack driver at distance for punching paper. Doesn't like "cover" too much though.
We do, in preps, tend to think of the "human wave" attacks of the past, and many would prefer a mag fed major caliber rifle (semi auto for quik follow up). As you can plainly see, I don't favor the AR-15 here, but prefer a .308 or .30-06
AK-47 have a lot of followers here, but the round itself may not have oomph left at the RIFLEMAN's Half-KM (500 meters)
This is where it gets expensive to practice a lot, and you'll find many opinions to fathom through. These guns are not inexpensive, and require some degree of tender loving care, so I would suggest you start out with the Milsurp listed above.
Hope this 'little' intro helps.
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CEETEE
You're one of hte sub-groups of folk we're trying to get!
Per the various "combat experts" in the past, a sidearm is useful because it's always with you, but it is really only the tool to fight your way back to the rifle you set down!
I wish to take a liberty in answering your question, because you framed it very tight. So here goes.
'What is the most inexpensive (centerfire) rifle I can get...'
We in Appleseed circles have been working up a concept of the "Trainer" rifle for use of the juniors, and adults, for less than the cost of an arm or a leg in practice. It's the round count and the concentration on perfect replication of the "Six Steps" that builds Rifleman Marksmanship Skills. http://www.rwva.org/yabbse/index.php?topic=1149.0
Now, why I BELIEVE in the center fire .30 or larger for target interdiction and homeland defense, it is getting way expensive to shoot off 3000 rounds of even mil surplus to build that skill (takes about 2000 reps to build the skill, 10,000 reps to repair an error...)
So, my first, glib, answer, is ANY STICK YOU ALREADY HAVE, even in .22LR!
Bolt, Lever, Pump, Auto, Break Action...it doesn't matter as long as YOU learn how to use it well, and that means lots of PRACTICE (a .50 BMG, for example, would be a but tough on the body to practice well!)
IN FACT, there is a lot to using a "lo/no" recoil rifle to get the basics down pat.
If you were able to convince yourself that you were learing, you'll find that DRY FIRE is an integral part of the learning process. We have some drills, like balancing a dime or quarter on the barrel at the front sight, to reinforce proper trigger control, one of the key "Six Steps", and one ENTIRELY UNDER OPERATOR CONTROL, which can be done with a BB gun, air gun, airsoft, etc.
Breath control, NPOA (Natural Point of Aim) sight alignment and sight picture can all be practiced without life ammo.
Calling the shot, after trigger control, part of follow through, requires a shot to be fired...though many simulators using laser beams are being developed for that (not inexpensive,though)
I brought in the BB guns, pellet guns, and airsoft intentionally, because although they may not be "real" firearms, they still project, and thus give feedback, and can be used INDOORS for many in inclement weather, or when you can only cut out 15 mintutes (nightly) to practice.
A .22LR trainer, like a modified 10/22 mag fed rifle, will force you to practice all the above steps, and most assuradly reinforce NPOA, as you will unwittingly change your NPOA with the magazine changes. We do this INTENTIONALLY in the Appleseed, even having you change targets mid string, and /or move firing point, all to "burn in" the critical steps, and NPOA!
And a .22LR 10/22 is cheap, shots inexpensive ammo, so you won't cry so much about the 3000 rounds (last I bought, was Federal, at $15.00 /brivk of 1000. $45.00 for 3000 rounds, vs Mil Surp .308 at $700, or XM193 @ $350)
We shoot, for training and early reflex building, at 25 meter, 82 feet, INTENTIONALLY, to let you see and call your shots. This is perfect rqange for the .22LR
Now, after the firing position, and six steps are internallized, it IS TIME to go to full range for some additional learning on trajectory and windage, etc.
Any round that can make your AO (Area of Operation) target dissappear is fine.
Bolt/lever/pump guns are fine, if you don't have to make a lot of targets go away fast. In fact bolts are reportedly THE MOST Accurate and reliable action type. Problem is finding one that is still realiable after being converted to magazine feed, or one that has the clip slots milled.
Imports include the MauserK98, Mosin Nagant, Enfield, etc. In fact Aim Surplus has some Ishapore ENfield on sale right now for <$200 http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Enf-2A__Enfield_2A_.308_NATO_7.62x51_Rifles.html
If you are restricted to, let's say, 200 yards max visible range, the SKS has quite a following at Appleseeds. Cheap (<$200), fed by stripper clips, fairly reliable, once the nut behind the stock learns the stick, using cheap, surplus, or imported ammunition. Many shooters on the various boards cosnider this almost a "throw away" firearm. You'll see that if you look up "Truck Guns".
The AR-15, at about $800 or more, shooting 5.56 ammo (known to others as .223 subtle differences, but lets just accept it for now) will get you this distance with some "slowing power" with good solid CNS (Central Nervous System) hits, and will be a tack driver at distance for punching paper. Doesn't like "cover" too much though.
We do, in preps, tend to think of the "human wave" attacks of the past, and many would prefer a mag fed major caliber rifle (semi auto for quik follow up). As you can plainly see, I don't favor the AR-15 here, but prefer a .308 or .30-06
AK-47 have a lot of followers here, but the round itself may not have oomph left at the RIFLEMAN's Half-KM (500 meters)
This is where it gets expensive to practice a lot, and you'll find many opinions to fathom through. These guns are not inexpensive, and require some degree of tender loving care, so I would suggest you start out with the Milsurp listed above.
Hope this 'little' intro helps.
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