Witnesses against Compean, Ramosto be fired for changing testimonies

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Witnesses against Compean, Ramosto be fired for changing testimonies
2 agents face dismissal, 1 resigns – all 3 given immunity despite altering accounts
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54196

Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean (KFOX-TV, El Paso, Texas)
Three Border Patrol agents, who were given immunity to testify against fellow agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean in the Feb. 17, 2005, shooting of a drug-smuggling suspect as he fled across the U.S.-Mexico border, are no longer with the agency because they changed their accounts of the incident several times.

Removal documents for the proposed firing of agents David Jaquez and Arturo Vasquez were issued on Jan. 29, the Ontario Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reported. A third agent, Oscar Juarez, reportedly resigned from the agency last month shortly before he was to be fired.

Jaquez and Vasquez have signed their termination papers and are officially dismissed as of Feb. 28.

As WND reported, a Department of Homeland Security memo filed April 12, 2005, indicates Jaquez, Vasquez and Juarez were closely linked to the shooting for which Ramos and Compean were prosecuted and sentenced to 11 and 12 years, respectively:

Investigation disclosed that the following BP agents were at the location of the shooting incident, assisted in destroying evidence of the shooting, and/or knew/heard about the shooting: Oscar Juarez; Arturo Vasquez; Jose Mendoza; David Jacquez; Lance Medrano; Lorenzo Yrigoyen; Rene Mendez; Robert Arnold; and Jonathan Richards.


Of the nine listed agents, two were supervisors, Arnold and Richards. Arnold was a supervisory Border Patrol agent and Richards was a field operations supervisor, the senior BP officer on the field that day. Agents Vasquez, Jacquez and Juarez, were given immunity for their testimony by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton's office. All three were called as witnesses by the prosecution to testify against Ramos and Compean at trial.

According to the termination documents, obtained by the Daily Bulletin, Vasquez originally confirmed Compean's claim he had made a radio call asking for backup after a van driven by suspected drug smuggler Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila twice tripped border sensors. In court, however, Vasquez changed his story.

"On March 18, 2005, and on May 11, 2005, you provided different statements to DHS (Office of Inspector General) investigators regarding your knowledge of the February 2005 shooting incident," Vasquez's termination document charges.

"Specifically, you said in the March 18, 2005, statement that you heard radio traffic by (Border Patrol Agent) Jose Compean that there was a 10-46 (apprehended narcotics case) in progress in the area. You testified in court on February 24, 2006, and admitted that your March 18, 2005, statement regarding a 10-46 in progress was inaccurate."

The removal document also says Vasquez told prosecutors Compean described Aldrete-Davila with an expletive after the smuggler threw dirt in his eyes as the two struggled prior to the shooting, even though he did not include that detail in his sworn statement of March 18, 2005.

At trial, Vasquez contradicted the statements of other agents present at the scene when he said he was unable to smell nearly 800 pounds of marijuana when he opened the door to Aldrete-Davila's abandoned van.

On cross examination, Vasquez explained the discrepancy between his post-incident statement and his testimony by saying he wasn't sure why he had thought Compean called for backup while pursuing a narcotics suspect, and, according to the Daily Bulletin, failed to directly answer the defense attorney's question as to why other agents went to assist Compean.

Jaquez's termination document charges him with discrepancies between statements to investigators and testimony given at trial.

"On April 15, 2005, you provided false statements during your interview with DHS OIG investigators regarding the February 17, 2005, shooting incident," it read.

"You told DHS OIG that when you asked (Agent) Compean what had happened, he never mentioned the shooting incident to you. On February 27, you testified in court and admitted that you gave two different statements to DHS OIG investigators."

The DHS memo of April 12, 2005, clearly identifies Jaquez as one of nine agents who "were at the location of the shooting incident, assisted in destroying evidence of the shooting, and/or knew/heard about the shooting."

A November DHS Report of Incident, released this week, said the nine agents at the scene had been unaware of the shooting.

Andy Ramirez, who has closely followed the case as chairman of the group Friends of the Border Patrol, charged that Sutton gave immunity in exchange for favorable testimony.

"Arturo Vasquez, David Jacquez and Oscar Juarez were given immunity because they were willing to tell the story to the jury that Sutton needed told," Ramirez told WND. "They all lied. Juarez even contradicted himself on the stand, changing his lies as he went along.

Why were none of the other agents charged with crimes," Ramirez continued, "when the DHS memo clearly states that others assisted in destroying evidence of the shooting?"

"When you give deals to witnesses like immunity, the government usually gets the testimony (it wants)," Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, told the Daily Bulletin. "This case is a perfect example."
 
The fifth would have been much easier than opening the yapper.

Drug dealer got shot, oops, who shot first? Did not follow the story, but this sounds just like the US Attorney provided the immunity to get the result he wanted, nothing more.

Do law enforcement officials waive their right to the fifth amendment?
 
it was

"The fifth would have been much easier than opening the yapper.

Drug dealer got shot, oops, who shot first? Did not follow the story, but this sounds just like the US Attorney provided the immunity to get the result he wanted, nothing more.

Do law enforcement officials waive their right to the fifth amendment?"

the realization that the only shots fired were their own that got the agents to mount the coverup.
and horiuchi used the fifth in idaho in his trial.
 
the realization that the only shots fired were their own that got the agents to mount the coverup.
The fact that the “bad guy” didn’t shoot a firearm has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the shooting was justified. The fact that prosecution witnesses are being terminated and resigning because they lied, is a huge development. How are you supposed to believe their story when you have factual evidence that they lied?
 
you do know

that they all lied initially? that it was only after the pressure mounted that the wall of silence broke and they rolled over on each other to save their own tails. if everybody had lawyered up and shut up it woulda been a non starter
 
This whole incident makes my blood boil! These two agents are doing time in prison for doing their JOB!! That D.A Johnny Sutton ought to be ashamed of himself, he's a real A**hole. Johhny Sutton offered the scumbag immunity to testify AGAINST the boder patrol agents, can it get any worse than this? This is a complete miscarriage of justice, President Bush SHOULD pardon these two, but I believe he won't. He doesn't have enough conviction to do the right thing.

This case illustrates that in their eyes, who cares if drug smuggling illegals are flooding into this country, they want an open border with no control. Now the rest of the border patrol agents will be pretty skittish about confronting these CRIMINALS. They might go to jail too, for doing thier job!

End of rant. :D
 
This case, before it's done, will tell all of American what they need to understand about "border politics" and what and who are really behind the entire dreary and grisly scene.

Ramos and Compean will end up as rich men. A lot of the high will be brought low.
 
I am not quite sure on the angle on this.

It appears that this doesn't absolve Ignacio and Jose in any way, but rather, more should have also been charged.
 
I have several questions regarding the case of Ramos and Campean . . .

DID THEY EVEN HAVE A LAWYER?

WHO WAS THIS INCOMPETENT SHYSTER?

WHY HAVEN'T WE SEEN HIM ON TELEVISION, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF HIS CLIENTS?


I've seen Congressmen, journalists, and others on the TV talk show circuit talking about these two border patrol agents, but NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, has been said by or about their legal counsel.

Why? Can anyone shed some light on this?
 
This whole thing stinks from hell to highwater. Nothing about it even remotely
strikes me as being above board, honest or fair. The facts have been so muddied and mutilated by special favors, offers of immunity and cash settelements as to make it virtually impossible to know for sure what really happened.
 
cassandrasdaddy,
[You do know] that they all lied initially? that it was only after the pressure mounted that the wall of silence broke and they rolled over on each other to save their own tails. if everybody had lawyered up and shut up it woulda been a non starter
Sigh. yes, I know they all lied, that doesn’t change my point.

We have a case involving an admitted criminal, and some number of lying border patrol agents. We know that the agents supporting (tenuously I might add) the smugglers story have perjured themselves, so their testimony is suspect at best, self-serving misrepresentations of the truth at worst. The smuggler has supposedly changed his story during the course of the investigation, so his final narrative is suspect. The prosecution has repeatedly twisted the truth in order to present themselves in a more favorable light than they would be viewed otherwise (description of BP policy regarding pursuits, claims of inability to tie the smuggler to the load of dope, concealing facts regarding the agents and supervisors present at the scene, etc), so their version of the events is also suspect. The only version of the story that isn’t coming across as a lie is ironically, that of the two convicted agents who had the biggest reason to lie!
 
The only version of the story that isn’t coming across as a lie is ironically, that of the two convicted agents who had the biggest reason to lie!
I disagree. To me, it seems like the agents had no reason to lie. They did report the shots fired, verbally, according to some news stories. There were several supervisors, not just one, on scene that did not write a report. I guess the supervisors had loss of memory as to the fact that they had received a report of shots fired.
 
You’re right desertdog. What I meant was that if this event occurred the way the prosecution claims it did, then the two convicted agents had the biggest reason to give the story they did.
 
Evidently policy did not require a written report but did specify at least an oral report. If the two agents did report orally and their supervision mis-laid their memories, I would consider the agents were set up. . .. for what reason I can only speculate. In any case the whole thing just reeks of corruption up and down the entire federal food chain. The idea that an officer of the federal courts would suppress evidence exhonerating the agents while building a case around a drug runner who had ample motive to tell the feds what they wanted to hear boggles my tiny mind. The whole story is upside down and if true points to a truly out of control immigrationdruglawenforcement situation.
 
damn shell casings keep trippin em up

and that darn "i was just policing my brass in the traumatic aftermath" bs goes out the window when you send another agent back later to find and hide the 5 missing cases. makes a peculiar aroma arise
 
[damn shell casings keep trippin em up] and that darn "i was just policing my brass in the traumatic aftermath" bs goes out the window when you send another agent back later to find and hide the 5 missing cases. makes a peculiar aroma arise
I belong to another form of similar make to this one, and on a thread there I provided an example of a Border Patrol shooting by a friend of mine (he is an agent) that took place that was handled properly and, if I’m not mistaken, involved the picking up of fired brass afterwards.

The two convicted agents never sent anybody back to pick up the brass, according to their story. The supervisor (well at least one of the two that were present), might have sent somebody to pick up brass, but that hardly means the Ramos or Compean covered up anything. It’s difficult to say for sure if anybody testified that they returned to the scene since we still haven’t gotten access to the entire court transcript...
 
HankB, you don't see the defence lawyer because the judge has issued a gag order on everyone except the prosecutor.
 
HankB, you don't see the defence lawyer because the judge has issued a gag order on everyone except the prosecutor.
Not every one, but every one EXCEPT the prosecutor?

So a selective gag order was issued . . . which remains selectively in effect even AFTER the verdict is in and the guys are in jail?

I've never heard of such a thing.

If I didn't think the whole thing reeked before . . . I do for sure now.
 
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