Man calls paramedics, gets tasered by police instead

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Why do you guys have to bash the police?

They made the best decision they could under the circumstances.

BS, A lot of COPs out there are not the friendly heros they used to be. Many just want to be the big man on campus which is a sad thing to see in what used to be a very honorable profession. I should know, thats why i left it.

Tazers are a bad idea and should be removed from the LE arsenal of tools. They allow for too many trigger happy cops to go nuts with no consequences.
Use your brains and you wont have to use anything else.
 
It appears there's more to the story. A lot more. Woman says we need help; man sticks his head out the front door & says we don't. Police say, "WTH"

Google can be found at www.google.com

It's fun, try it.

Quit believing the first version of every story that's posted.

Yeah, right. I'm not holding my breath.

John
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"Officers were the first to arrive at the home located on 720 Perry. Edwards said she told them she needed medical help and Nelms said he stuck his head out the front door and said, 'We don't need the police."

That was when he said the officer called for back-up.

Nelms said he went back to bed and was lying down."

www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070606_mo_policetasering.20bcdeb9.html

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It is not a crime not to need the police.
It is not a crime to say so.
That first officer did not, apparently, ask the lady to explain what was going on. If he had, he would have just had the paramedics show up.
When I need paramedics for my heart condition, I don't need the police. I don't want them in my house ever. Certainly not without a warrant.

Jefferson
 
Okay JohnBT, so what? She said they needed medical help, he said they didn't need the police. Is this a crime now? Did I miss a law somewhere?

by BRETT SHIPP / WFAA-TV

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Allen Nelms is still recovering from the Taser injuries.
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Brett Shipp reports

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WAXAHACHIE — A Waxahachie man says police kicked in his door and shot him with a Taser gun. Allen Nelms says he hasn't received any answers since.

At its core, Waxahachie is a postcard picture of serenity and Victorian charm, but some say those in charge of keeping the peace have actually disturbed it.

Nelms, 52, said he is still recovering from an invasion that took place at his home five weeks ago.

It was 4 a.m. in the morning when he said he became overcome with a diabetic seizure. His common-law wife, Josie Edwards, called 911.

Officers were the first to arrive at the home located on 720 Perry. Edwards said she told them she needed medical help and Nelms said he stuck his head out the front door and said, 'We don't need the police."

That was when he said the officer called for back-up.

Nelms said he went back to bed and was lying down.

"Three cops come in," he said. "I think it was three, three different lights, and ordered me to get on the ground and roll over."

Nelms said when he started to move the officers zapped him with a taser twice, and possibly a third time, on his stomach and back.

Edwards, who suffers from Lou Gehrig's disease, said she couldn't believe what was happening.

"I said, 'What are y'all doing to him?'" she said. "And I heard Al say, 'Oh, Oh,' just hollering real loud."

After he was hit by the tasers, paramedics arrived and tended to Nelms, and he said the officers left without explanation.

Nelms filed a formal complaint.

According to Waxahachie police policy, an "investigator is to contact the complainant," conduct a complete investigation to determine whether the allegations are "sustained" or "not sustained" and declare the officers "exonerated" or the complaint "unfounded."

But just three business days after the complaint was filed, Waxahachie police released their findings to Nelms declaring, "we have found that the officers were within our departmental policies" in subduing Nelms.

"The response that Mr. Nelms did receive is shameful," said Rodney Ramsey, an attorney.

Ramsey, a former Waxahachie officer, said it's clear to him that a thorough and proper investigation was never conducted.

"I assure you it would have been more than a three day investigation had it been the bank president or someone from the other side of town or some non-African American citizen," he said.

In fact, the only record of the incident is a brief report of officers responding to a 911 hang-up.

The officer in charge of the scene that night, Sgt. Ricky Wilson, was also the subject of another recent internal investigation in which Wilson was accused of violating department policies and lying to cover it up. It was the major first blemish in Wilson's 14 years as a cop.

No one from the Waxahachie Police Department will comment on the incident citing pending litigation, but Nelms said their silence is not acceptable and he plans to hold them accountable.

"They are going to have to find some better answer than that," he said. "I need a better answer than that."
 
I would just like to say that I think I guessed this one right on the button.
Thank you John BT for that link. Sometimes I even amaze myself.:D




Pacodelahya said,
Now I know that if I called for ems and my local cops(yep, they know me well because I insist on being treated with dignity and I know my rights) show up, I'm not gonna ask em, I'm gonna tell em to leave, that I didn't call them and I don't want them in my house.

Since we are all speculating at this point, maybe indeed this guy has a history with the police and he didn't want them there and then things got out of control. Not too hard to imagine when you have a delerious diabetic person and a lot of alpha types running around.


Still don't see why he was tazered though and the fact that the officer has already been found to be a LIAR does not look good for the cops.
Nice to see that they have one of thier own investigating and that the outcome of the investigation will prove
the officers "exonerated" or the complaint "unfounded."

I guess guilty of malfeseance, dereliction of duty and assault aren't being considered.
 
Officers were the first to arrive at the home located on 720 Perry. Edwards said she told them she needed medical help and Nelms said he stuck his head out the front door and said, 'We don't need the police."

In fact, the only record of the incident is a brief report of officers responding to a 911 hang-up.


(Okay, I'm back.)

So! Another newspaper article of the incident!
Aha! Now we learn that Mr. Nelms does come to the door when the police first get there to investigate the 911 hangup call!

That was when he said the officer called for back-up.

Nelms said he went back to bed and was lying down.

Of course! Who wouldn't call for backup? The officer had no way of knowing what was really going on! "Medical help" can involve a lot of things: A gunshot needs "medical help." A knifing needs "medical help." And Mr. Nelms just turned around and went back to bed? What's up with that? I thought he was having some kind of diabetic seizure!

Oh, this story is still like rotten sardines!


"Three cops come in," he said. "I think it was three, three different lights, and ordered me to get on the ground and roll over."

Nelms said when he started to move the officers zapped him with a taser twice, and possibly a third time, on his stomach and back.

I thought it was "six or seven" according to the first story!

And now the story has changed as to where on his body Mr. Nelms was tasered. First: Back, left shoulder, left side. Now: Stomach, back, and maybe some other area. Okay, no matter. No doubt he was tasered. If he was, then why was he tasered for just turning over? Turning over to do what?
 
Ok, now you are really trying to stretch it. The wife said medical emergency, the husband said go away. Cops kicked in door and tased him.


They had no reason to be in the house!!!!!!!!!!! Where is the probable cause?


You call us police haters but you apologists are just as bad if not worse in trying to justify these saviors in blue. Please articulate to me with the accounts available to us why the police would think that a crime had been committed?

Go on, drive that wedge between us and them a little further. People defended the Atlanta cops until the FBI said they were guilty.

Google Sal Culosi. His killer had to take two weeks off with pay as punishment for having his gun "go off".

I don't even want to get started, I'll just say that you reap what you sow and if a police state is what some of you want then I guess that is what it is going to be. Just don't expect the rest of us to like it or put up with it.




The guy said he did not want the police in his home, they had no probable cause, they had already talked to both adults that lived there. They were criminally tresspassing and he should have repelled them with all means available.


Why did he need back up for a 52 year old diabetic with arthritis that was lying down???
 
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In her statement, Edwards, who has Lou Gehrig’s disease and is on oxygen... A brief synopsis of the incident that is releasable by the department says only that officers responded to 720 Perry at about 4:30 a.m. April 28 in reference to a 911 hangup.
OK, here's my theory. I've had patients with Lou Gehrig's disease, and they can speak quietly and indistinctly. I think she called, stated the problem, and hung up--and the 911 operator didn't understand the problem, and then reported it as a "hangup."

LEOs of course assume that a hangup is a hostage situation, so the officer arrived all amped up and ready to rumble. When he asked what the problem was, all he actually caught was "boyfriend" and "bedroom," so he called for backup and charged right in.

--Len.
 
feebMaster said:
Why do you guys have to bash the police?

They made the best decision they could under the circumstances.

They just want to get home safe to their families.

Let's hear both sides of the story before we judge.

That's a <>poor trolling attempt. 2/10
 
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Pure speculation on my part. Female of the house says medical help is needed. Male of the houses says otherwise (No police needed) and closes door on them.

You're the Cop on the spot. What would you think? Domestic violence or disturbance? Male intimidating/over-riding female request?

It appears from my reading that Nelms rolled away from the officers who ordered him out of bed and maybe they couldn't see his hands (maybe they could, I wasn't there). Cops like to be able to see your hands for some strange reason.

Sounds like quite a brouhaha occurred. Won't speculate anymore, but it will be an interesting read to see what develops. Probably cost the local taxpayers some more moola in the long run.
 
No, that makes too much sense. You can't go getting logical on us and ruin all the good rants. ;)



"You call us police haters but you apologists are just as bad if not worse in trying to justify these saviors in blue. Please articulate to me with the accounts available to us why the police would think that a crime had been committed?"

Think it through, you'll figure it out yourself. It's not difficult. It has to do with a woman calling 911 and the man telling the cops to go away.

John
 
Think it through, you'll figure it out yourself. It's not difficult. It has to do with a woman calling 911 and the man telling the cops to go away.
If I call 911 and say there's a burglar in my house, I'm gonna be :cuss: if the fire dept shows up instead.
 
John BT, what I am having trouble with is after SHE said I need medical not cops and He said I need medical not cops(here's the tricky part) they kicked in his door, told him to roll off of his bed and tased him.

All the smarminess and sarcasm in the world is not gonna justify what they did.


Not to mention the fact that once again, they had justification to tase him but nothing to charge him with????
 
It has to do with a woman calling 911 and the man telling the cops to go away.


That's why they showed up JBT, again, why did they kick in his door, what was the articulated probable cause???

They talked to her first, she said medical please, they talked to him next, he said go away, medical please.

He was lying on his bed, why did he have to get on the floor??

I am still waiting.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.



No warrant, no entry, they could have asked the woman to step outside so they could speak with her. If she didn't want to, then they would still have had to take a hike. I guess the Constitution really is just a piece of paper anymore.
 
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Heh... Not just US cops...

http://www.break.com/index/cop-knocks-out-70-year-old-lady.html

Gotta tell you, I likely woulda done the same thing...

As for the case at hand, I think it's just a symptom of too many cops with _too much_ training...

Now, you ask, how can there be _too_ much training?

...I'm waiting.... Really...

Okay. Someone asked!

It's reinforcing paranoia. It's sending them into situations, not in condition yellow, or even dark orange, but in condition red, bordering on white hot... They've got adrenaline going, they've got a thousand different, sometimes contradictory yes/no decisions to make, they were trained according to the lowest common denominator using a training program crafted by lawyers instead of police, and then reindoctrinated via grapevine stories into how to "really" do things...

Add in overconfidence (I'm right, and you're not...), and maybe a bit of stubborness involving reconsidering any decisions, and you may have this case...
 
My the hate grows.

Ok lets have a little fantasy.

Let say this is your daughter, that calls 911. Call is disconnected, she hangs up, ETC. Bottom line no information to the dispatcher. Police are dispatched. I arrive on scene. She yells that medical help is needed. This can mean any number of things. A man sticks his head out and yells that police are not needed. I say ok then, turn around, and leave. Now your daughter is still in the house and could be being beaten, raped, injured. But I just left because it was none of my business and I had no right to be there, (according to you Constitution experts).

Since this board is becoming more rabid with police hate and it seems no matter what choise is made its wrong, I know this will fall on deaf ear but WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO??????

Don't give this "good old day cop" BS. The cops back in the old days were uneducated racists known to unleash dogs on innocent protesters and kill civil right workers. They enforced segregation laws, so don't give me that they obeyed the Constitution.

This has become so far out of hand its insane. There are actully people on this board saying they would tell the police to leave if they showed up for an EMS call. I will be blunt you are liars!! If your kid is not breathing you will be D#%n glad when I show up and start CPR and stop bleeding until EMS shows up. If your family members heart fails and I show up with an AED, you will thank me. You will not be telling me to leave without a warrant.

The police are not the bad guy, TRY to get that in your head. Out of millons of citizen interactions every year very few go bad. Most of you on here have never had a bad encounter, you have just heard stories and taken them at face value. Guess what PEOPLE LIE. I have sat there and listen to people tell bald face lies to get officers in trouble. They even hold onto the lie after its been disproven.

Do the world a favor, meet some police, go on a ride along, attended a citizens academy, or better yet donate some time as a reserve. Education about the truth is key.
 
Interesting how some threads get shut down and others just keep on rolling.

Yeah, this one was clearly way out of the box! :rolleyes:
I'm surprised it went on this long. ;)

It's over for me, anyway.
 
They made the best decision they could under the circumstances.

How can you arrive at that conclusion? On the face of it it appears they screwed up, since they used force and no arrest was made and no charges filed.
 
Fulcrum of Evil said:
That's a piss-poor trolling attempt. 2/10

I just wanted to get the usual arguments out of the way early. It was at least a 7/10.


Shield529 said:
She yells that medical help is needed. This can mean any number of things.

The most likely of course being that medical help is needed.
 
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